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John OConnor
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Posted: 05 April 2023 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | 1  

Seriously, THIS part of the problem with this country. No sense of accountability. *sigh*

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it's an opinion Charles; nothing more. 
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 05 April 2023 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | 2  

Party line or no, she was elected by saying “I stand for this.” And after being
elected she said “well I really don’t stand for that, thanks for electing me.”
Regardless of party, she won her election thru blatant lies and deceit. She
should be tossed.



(As should Santos.)
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 05 April 2023 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | 3  

it's an opinion Charles; nothing more.

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Sure, and you have every right to yours... just as we all do. 

Just saying that what this lady did is PURE FRAUD and she should have consequences. It would send a message to any other politician that tries to do the same.

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John Wickett
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Accusing her of fraud seems a little extreme at this point.  

She has been serving in the state legislature for 10+ years as a Democrat, and while voting occasionally with Republicans, she has mostly supported Democratic causes. 

She says she will still be the same person.  So lets see how she votes. 
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Brian Floyd
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If someone runs as a member of one party, then switches to another after being elected, how is it NOT fraud? Even if waiting months to switch.

You defrauded the people who voted for you. Not just those from your former party, but also the independents and others who voted for you because they oppose what your new party stands for. Voters essentially had a choice between two members of the same party, except one was actually honest about which one they belonged to. 

You defrauded everyone who contributed money to your election (or re-election) campaign. They should be able to sue either you or your new party (meaning they'd better have a huge treasury) to recoup.

You defrauded your former party, who could have supported someone who actually is a member of the party, but wasted time, money and resources on you. The money should come out of your pocket, your new party's treasury, or both. Or your campaign spending if/when you run for re-election should be limited. 

Enjoy commercials calling you out on what you did if/when you run for re-election or a different political job in your state. Especially ifs a state where your former party is the majority and/or there's a lot of independent voters.

And this doesn't matter which parties we're talking about. Its wrong, either way.




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And this doesn't matter which parties we're talking about. Its wrong, either way.

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Here in California, where once upon a time you could be a socially liberal, fiscally conservative person and still call yourself a Republican, we had a Republican state assemblyman who won re-election by 607 votes and then switched parties to become a Democrat. His explanation was not only had Trump pushed the party to the extreme, but his own party had marginalized him. While he was a Republican, he worked across the aisle and focused on issues that mattered to his constituents. Is it fraudulent to say that I’m going to keep doing what I’m doing, but I can’t align myself with the national party anymore because they are focused on marginalizing LGBTQ folk?
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 06 April 2023 at 6:31am | IP Logged | 7  

Whether people vote for candidate or whether people vote on party lines is
irrelevant.

The person was voted in based on a set of information that is no longer
true.



Last year the UK went through three prime ministers, something like five
Home Secretaries & @ least three chancellors of the exchequer.

The current government bares no relation to the one that was elected, the
policies are different, the leaders are different, especially after multiple
changes.



In both cases, there should be new elections. No one voted for what they
currently have. The people in position have no mandate from the electorate
to govern.
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Posted: 07 April 2023 at 2:25pm | IP Logged | 8  

I vote for the candidate, not the party they run under [helps avoid mistakes like the George Santos debacle].

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How?

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John OConnor
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Because unlike many of the people that live in my area who continue to vote party line exclusively, I choose to {try}  and see where the candidate stands on the issues. I'm certainly not naive enough to think that the candidates aren't flexible with their loyalties. 
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Most of the "news" about Santos began to emerge after he was elected.
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Dave Kopperman
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Dear Lord, but Thomas is such a tedious self-serving prick.  Of course there's nothing wrong with what he did, because he did it so it can't be wrong.

In many ways, I think Thomas is actually at the very bottom of the deep trench of GOP corrupt tools.  Trump, at least, was in for only four years and had a lot of limits on his power from Congress, and we could (and did) vote him out after his term.  Thomas knows he's untouchable and is gleefully using his seemingly uncheckable power to change everything about our country he can.

And I'm sure I've made this point upthread, but it again shows how canny Mitch was at playing the long game.  Get a supermajority in the Supreme Court and you've pretty much won it.
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Michael Casselman
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Santos was also elected in a heavily Democratic-leaning district, so he also bucked the trend of straight-line party voting.
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