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Greg McPhee
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Dave Pruitt, I also think it is ironic and hypocritical of Alan Moore to make a stand when other people, particularly in film, adapt his characters (though I discount LOEG as his characters), yet he seems to be able to destroy other peoples characters and is treated by some as a godlike figure. 



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Joe:  Good question.  No, it doesn't, at least not at the point where I'm at.  To clarify, I think my last post gives the impression I've read the whole book, which is not the case.  I've just read the first seven chapters. 

Contextually, it seems pretty clear the characters aren't minors.  They refer to their childhood experiences as happening in the distant past. And they are drawn as adults.

Alice:


Wendy:


Dorothy:



It's funny, when I read Lost Girls when the first chapters were published in Taboo back in the late 1980's, I had no idea they were supposed to be the classic literary characters.  And even once I caught up to speed on the names, I assumed they were allusionary; it didn't occur to me they were supposed to be the actual characfters in a pornographic sequel. 
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Reading the accounts and descriptions of Lost Girls makes me think this is pretty lame. Like the Disney character porn I've seen bits of before. Why? Really? Who enjoys this stuff?

Whether you ultimately think it's worthwhile or not is, of course, purely subjective, but Moore's intent in using the characters is very specific and goes beyond "Disney porn" wank material. From an interview:

"The actual reason why we were excited about using those three characters to tell a story about sex is because it is such a perfect metaphor for the way all of us, by the very nature of sex itself - when we enter into it, we are not mature. It doesn't matter what age we happen to enter into it, there is still a part of our maturation process that is incomplete until we have entered that peculiar realm. When we come out the other side of it, we may not be adults, but we're certainly not children anymore. I suspect that for many of us, the world of our first sexual encounters is a world every bit as strange and disorienting as Wonderland or Oz or Neverland. I suspect that we kind of find that all throughout our childhood, we had seen the world a certain way, and people's reactions and behaviors going according to certain rules. All of a sudden, when we are plunged into the world of sexuality, it is like we are living under the logic system of Lewis Carrol's Red Queen - everything is kind of backwards, you have to run twice as fast just to stay where you are, nothing means quite the same thing, words that used to mean one thing now mean something completely different.

It struck me that all of those three stories would serve brilliantly as metaphors for that kind of strange, peculiar landscape that is the landscape of our earliest approach to sexuality."

 

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" I do expect the book to be challenging"

As if putting your hand on your d*ck is some kind of challenge.
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 Joe Zhang wrote:

DM, is it explicitly stated in the comic what age the main characters are?

From Neil Gaiman's review of the book:
 Neil Gaiman wrote:

that the three women whose adventures in girlhood may have inspired
respectively, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland, Peter Pan and Wendy, and
The Wizard of Oz, now grown, meet in a Swiss hotel before the first World
War. Wendy, Dorothy and Alice, three very different women, one jaded
and old, one trapped in a frigid adulthood, one a spunky but innocent
young American good-time girl...


I think that is pretty clear.

Neil Gaiman's Review

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Dave Pruitt, I also think it is ironic and hypocritical of Alan Moore to make a stand when other people, particularly in film, adapt his characters (though I discount LOEG as his characters), yet he seems to be able to destory other peoples characters and is treated by some as a godlike figure.

I do think Moore's a bit of a blowhard on some of this stuff, but I think it's worthy of note that where LOEG and V were actual adaptations of his work, no one will mistake LOST GIRLS for an adaptation of PETER PAN or THE WIZARD OF OZ or ALICE IN WONDERLAND. Not any more than they thought Anne Rice was adapting was adapting SLEEPING BEAUTY when she wrote her fairy tale erotica a ways back.

I expect LOST GIRLS to be about precisely as damaging to its source material as the Anne Rice stuff, which is to say: not at all.

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 Joe Zhang wrote:
" I do expect the book to be challenging"

As if putting your hand on your d*ck is some kind of challenge.

I'm sorry, but I'm tired of this guy, really, really tired.

I can't decide if I'm going to just put him on Ignore or just leave this
board all together, but I am really growing tired of him.

I'll take some time to think this over.
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Speaking of Disney characters and porn, anybody remember Wally Wood's classic Disneyland Memorial Orgy?  In fact, Wood himself was a pioneer in sexualizing Alice in Wonderland.  

None of those links are work safe.  God bless that man. 
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Joe, you're brilliant as ever in your obtuseness. Never change.
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Wally Wood is not a good person to invoke if your
intention is a defense of Moore.
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No defense of Moore was intended; I just thought Wood was an interesting addition to the conversation at hand. 

Out of curiosity, why not? 
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Wally Wood was a very sad story. An alcoholic. A drug addict. And, alas, someone who thought himself to have "sold out" very early in his career. His slide into pornography was born more of a destructive self-loathing than a wish to express anything artistically. The bulk of the work was not even done by Wood himself. Mike Zeck and Larry Hama (to name but two) were both "Wally Wood" early in their careers.

Wood was one of the greatest talents this industry has produced, and his end, in 1981, by self-inflicted gunshot wound, was one of the saddest.

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