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Vinny Valenti
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The thing that always mystified me was - was Phoenix ever an official member of the X-Men? She never appeared in the corner box on the covers, which I always used as an indication of team rosters when I was a kid.
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I also came in during the Smith run, but the Byrne legend was intact, and I had been handed the paperback Death of Phoenix not too soon afterwards.

In my eyes, I always wanted the book to look/read like the JB years.
It never did/could.

But, by then, I had FF!
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…was Phoenix ever an official member of the X-Men?

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Why would she not be? Jean was a member from the first issue, and tho she
left the book, briefly, with issue 94, it's not like the X-Men require dues to
be paid or membership lapses!
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Erin Anna Leach
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That would take some serious manipulation of the spacetime continuum, Joe!

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Yeah, so what's the problem? I know you have a Tardis around the house somewhere. ;-)

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I understand your feeling of the results of X-Men's success, but based on the topics you mentioned and the additions you plotted it's possible the book would have been as successful.  I think it was all about EGO with Claremont. 
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Martin Redmond
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Speeaking of old X-Men stuff, Marvel is reprinting Dave Cockrum's 2 inventory issues soon. The cover isn't by Dave of course, it's by someone else I don't know and it features the X-Men standing around Charles Xavier looking at the reader.
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Marvel is reprinting Dave Cockrum's 2 inventory issues soon.

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I was not aware of these. What's the vintage?
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Flavio Sapha
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In my eyes, I always wanted the book to look/read like the JB years.
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Same here.  I think the book coasted for almost twenty years on the Dark Phoenix momentum.
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Martin Redmond
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I don't know when they were made, I knew they existed but I don't know when they were done.

Here's what I found~:

 Roger Stern wrote:
More Secrets Behind the Comics Department:

'Way, 'way back in the early '90s, Brother John Byrne found himself scripting two X-Men comics, over stories plotted and penciled by Jim Lee and Larry Stroman. As we often did in those days, JB and I were talking over the phone -- and he mentioned that the books were running later and later, as pages dribbled in from his artists. He suggested that I offer my services as a fill-in writer to the X-editors. I was skeptical that there would be any interest in me at Marvel, this being slightly over four years since they'd fired me. But JB kept after me. So, I made a call, and was surprised when they commissioned me to write a story...and delighted when the plot was given to Dave Cockrum. (Though, if I'd know that Dave was going to draw it, I would have plotted a bunch of scenes of Nightcrawler and swordplay.)

Anyway, I scripted Dave's pencils, turned the story in, and was paid. And after that, I never heard another word from the X-office.

That was sixteen years ago.


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I think the book coasted for almost twenty years on the Dark Phoenix momentum.

Well imo you missed out. It was one of the monthlies I've enjoyed the most.

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Geoff Gibson
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JB:

Did you plan to bring Jean "back to basics" with the original "depowered" ending?

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Reading the JB/Claremont X-men as a kid... I guess I was 13 or so when I first started, they became the X-Men I knew..... but being the completist that I am, I had read everything by the time I'd finished High school and found that the old Xmen and the New were very different AND that as the series went on.... I read it because I did, not because I was really interested in it. The ART has always driven my love of comics, so I bought EVERYTHING with JB's name on it.... but since Xmen was the first, it was the one I KEPT reading despite being bored with it. I pretty much skimmed the last of the Cockrum issues and the first few Paul Smith ones...

What strikes me now, as an adult having reread them again and again is that the problems I find with the characters are a lot of the things that JB mentions as points of contention between he and Chris. Even tho I'd found myself wondering about "Why did so and so do THAT? They wouldn't do that??" Years before I'd read JB's comments, my thoughts mirror his a lot of the time.

Even though no one but Chris had written the characters... the new one's at least, I found them out of character, rather than character growth....
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id you plan to bring Jean "back to basics" with the original "depowered"
ending?

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As originally ploted, Lilandra's psychic lobotomy would remove Jean's
powers, and leave her with the mental state of a five year old. Then, about a
year later, she and her mom & dad would go to a movie, and upon emerging
be set upon by muggers. SHAKA-LAKA-BOOM! and Dark Phoenix is reborn.
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