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John Byrne
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Got my copy on order. Looking forward to it more than any other comic in quite some time.*** Then you are a complete asshole.
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Greg McPhee
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It really beggars belief that anyone would want to write about this kind of stuff in the first place let alone infringe on the copyright of Great Ormond Street.
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Wallace Sellars
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Why not create new characters instead of horribly mistreating ones you don't own?
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Matt Hawes
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That's one of the things that gets me about Alan Moore, Wallace. I've enjoyed some of his work, but I dislike how he'll sometimes take someone else's creation and muck with it, usually for purposes of deconstruction, or to pervert the character in some fashion. And, then, he becomes so displeased at how others handle his works, particularly in film, that he has any credit to him removed. Seems both ironic and hypocritical at the same time.
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Jay Matthews
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Along those same lines, Matt, I know it must have been said before, but the analogy of kicking down sand castles (and the guilty pleasure it brings) can be applied to Moore's desire to do variations (and even perversions) of existing, long standing intellectual property.
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Joe Zhang
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I don't know which is more disturbing. Moore's use of children's
characters in his pornography, or the lack of outrage about a pedophile
comic book.
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Matt Hawes
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That's one thing I have been unclear on, Joe: Are the characters in "Lost Girls" adults, or are they still minors?
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Dave Pruitt
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Doesn't he do these stories, and LOEG, because the stories are only interesting if they are about these well known characters. What else do they really have going for them? If he changed all the names and the characterizations so they were completely new, and not recognizable as avatars of those classic characters, would they even be mildly interesting stories? Maybe, but I doubt it. At least with Watchmen, DC had the good sense to make him deconstruct avatars instead of the real thing. I haven't read this Lost Girl stuff, but I did read both series of LOEG. Those stories were pretty much nothing without the exploiting of those characters. Would anyone have cared, would Hollywodd have made a movie, of that if it wasn't about Captain Nemo, Dr. Jeykl, et al? Nah, I doubt it.
Reading the accounts and descriptions of Lost Girls makes me think this is pretty lame. Like the Disney character porn I've seen bits of before. Why? Really? Who enjoys this stuff?
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Joe Zhang
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" Are the characters in "Lost Girls" adults, or are they still minors?"
From the interviews, I think they are still minors.
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David Miller
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From reading the comic itself, I can assure you they are adults.
Edited to add: Lost Girls appears to be using Moore's familiar
trope of aging the characters in real time. It is set in 1914, so
Dorothy, the youngest, is in her twenties, since Wizard of Oz was
released in 1900, and Alice the oldest, having sprung from a book
released in 1865. But now that I think about it, if Peter Pan
came out in 1902, wouldn't that make Dorothy older than Wendy?
Maybe Dorothy just comes off as younger.
Edited by David Miller on 24 June 2006 at 9:23am
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Joe Zhang
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DM, is it explicitly stated in the comic what age the main characters are?
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Dave Farabee
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Me an' Neil Gaiman, two peas in a pod...
By the way, regarding the pedophilia aspect - I caught comments in a thread at Newsarama from someone who'd actually read the book that when it comes up, it's pretty much treated with outrage and disgust. It also seems that it appears as a story-within-a-story, as with the pirate comic in WATCHMEN. That is, one or more of the lead characters read about the acts in (I believe) some old book or another.
Something to keep in mind: discussing or depicting an act is not the same as endorsing it. TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD is not a "rape book" despite the fact that rape is a plot point in it.
That said, I do expect the book to be challenging and probably uncomfortable in some if its aspects. But I remember the same of an incest sequence in one of Heinlein's books, and I never quite came to be disgusted with him over it.
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