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James Johnson Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 1
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Vaccine Priority
Have at it......
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 132386
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | 2
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Since I’m in a high risk group (old, diabetic, heart problems) I assume I can safely ask this question:Why do old and sick get preference over young and healthy?
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 January 2014 Location: United States Posts: 4789
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 12:38pm | IP Logged | 3
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...especially when it seems that this is the ONLY matter where elderly get any priority or preference or extra treatment?
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 May 2005 Location: United States Posts: 8847
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 12:47pm | IP Logged | 4
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Why do old and sick get preference over young and healthy?
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Why not? My wife and I are among those who are in the high risk group, so I'm very glad we'll be given preference. And it's been proven that people under 55 are better able to battle this virus.
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James Johnson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 2068
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | 5
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JB,
We need our old (wisened?) folks. Like you. ;-)
Seriously, we should have compassion for our sick and elderly (unlike a ranting person in the WH). No matter how old or sick a person is, we all can learn a thing or 2 from them.
Myself, I fall under 2 categories:
Essential Worker (IT) and High Risk Medical (Heart Condition)
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 1:56pm | IP Logged | 6
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From a bluntly utilitarian standpoint, vaccinating the vulnerable makes sense because it consumes considerably fewer resources than treatment, probate and disposing of the carcass.
Edited by David Miller on 03 December 2020 at 1:56pm
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Peter Hicks Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 April 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1892
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Posted: 04 December 2020 at 10:04am | IP Logged | 7
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The old and sick will get priority for the vaccination because it is COVID in these patients that leads to hospitals being over full, ICUs over run, and refrigerator trucks for corpses outside hospitals.
Unvaccinated young people will continue to get COVID as the vaccine is distributed in the first half of 2021, but far fewer will need to be hospitalized, and that will relieve pressure on the health care sector.
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 May 2005 Location: United States Posts: 8847
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Posted: 05 December 2020 at 8:56am | IP Logged | 8
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Here's the thing, back in August it was pointed out that well over 90% of the deaths by Covid had underlying medical conditions or were older people. The most recent numbers on the CDC's website (LINK) it shows that out of 249,570 deaths by Covid, 229,718 are of people 55 and older (92%).
My wife and I are included in Phase 1 of the proposed vaccination group (according to the link provided by James). We're both diabetic, both over 55 (I'm turning 58 in a week and my wife is 73), and I'm definitely obese.
And while Covid incidence is higher among younger people (35 and younger), the mortality rate is much higher among older people (55 and older). Vaccinating those at most risk of dying first makes the most sense.
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Craig Earl Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 13 July 2019 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1259
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Posted: 05 December 2020 at 10:39am | IP Logged | 9
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Vaccinating those at most risk of dying first makes the most sense.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
While on the subject, I have to share something that had me shaking my head in disbelief. My stepsister lives next door to a family with three kids. Since the first lockdown, they have had at least three gatherings with other relatives, showing no social distancing whatsoever. My stepsis confronted them the first time and then (after they continued to act irresponsibly) reported them on the third occasion. I understand that the authorities finally acted and gave the family a final warning with the threat of a fine.
No one wants to have to resort to the act of 'dobbing someone in', but this incident has a very disturbing punchline. Both parents are doctors.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 05 December 2020 at 11:17pm | IP Logged | 10
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The way I see it, if that family wants to risk wiping themselves out, more power to them. And they will continue to do so with or without the UK government's efforts to protect them. All your sister managed to do is make her neighbors her enemy.
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Craig Earl Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 December 2020 at 4:20am | IP Logged | 11
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The way I see it, if that family wants to risk wiping themselves out, more power to them
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The problem is, they are more likely to increase infection rates and therefore put others at risk. They are the ones speeding down the wrong lane of the motorway with their headlights off.
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Trevor Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 December 2020 at 5:52am | IP Logged | 12
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Well that's a milestone passed. Leading cause of death in the US this past week, according to what I just heard on the BBC.
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