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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 28 August 2019 at 8:13am | IP Logged | 1 post reply
"If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Some true-believer Catholics; 'I hate those Baptists and Methodists. O Lord, please destroy all those who do not believe as we do."

Some true-believer Presbyterians: "O Lord, please destroy all those who do not believe as we do."

That wouldn't leave many worshippers - or anyone - behind, would it? And that's for both groups who truly have faith. TANGENT: Is there a difference betweeen "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and "Thou Shalt Not Have Any Agency Kill For Thee"?

As for the Bible.. isn't every one of them a forgery? I know that the Ten Commandments were given directly to Moses (twice*), but what about the entire Holy Scripture? Who received that to transfer to print? And I believe any subsequent version of the Bible that is not an exact duplicate of that is a forgery... including versions that are translated into another language. How did God figure for everyone to get his exact version of the Word?

*Were the first Ten Commandments exactly the same as the second set? Or very different? HOW CAN WE KNOW?

There's part of some of the items that make me think there's a little too much of Man in the word of God.
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This always gives me a chill - the common German soldier's belt buckle in WWII:



So many people killed in His name, and He never says a word to stop it...
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Hitler self-identified not only as a Christian, but as one who was continuing and even fulfilling the works of Jesus.

No news there. So much history has been generated/justified by religion. The Crusades. The Inquisition. The Holocaust. 9/11. Those were not political actions.

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My main problem with the Ten Commandments is that the one about killing doesn't even make the top five (or just scrapes in at number five). You'd think it would come before all the ego-massaging that god demands. It's a shame they couldn't fit one in about not owning other human beings as property as well.

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That so obvious a work of pure love and peace as the Bible or the Koran could be misinterpreted saddens me. Only a poor misguided soul would read something like, say, 1 Samuel 15:3 and take it to mean that God supports heinous acts in his name.

In all honesty, we could probably convert 75% of the population to rationalism/atheism if they were simply forced to actually READ the Bible, by themselves, cover to cover. Maybe Trump can bring forth such a decree?
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Trump claims to have read the Bible. I seem to recall at least once when he said it was his “favorite book”.

He doesn’t seem to have been too successful following its teachings, tho. I think I’VE done better by the Ten Commandments than the Donald has!

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And he loves every verse so much he can’t possibly pick a favorite. 
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Something has always perplexed me; the First Commandment essentially says: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me".

Whenever I read this I always wondered about the word "before" - did this originally mean no other gods, period?  Or, did it ever mean there could be other god/goddess worship (this was a very polytheistic world at the time) just as long as this god remained numero uno?

Thanks for any insight.

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The ancient Hebrews acknowledged the existence of other gods, but insisted theirs was the Big Kahuna, top dog.

Some have said the verse means “in front” of God, ie where they can be seen. Not sure how anyone can hide their actions from an omniscient being!

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He's not just the big kahuna, top dog, he's a vain big kahuna.

Most important rule: always treat me as number one. My secondary and tertiary rules are also about treating me good and fine.

AOB: respect your parents. Oh yeah, here's another one: thou shalt not kill.

But above all else, remember, I am number one.
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JB,

Thanks for enlightening me!  This stuff fascinates me.  

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Indeed, the Israelites were polytheistic up to the time of Elijah. The original top dog was El. Baal and Asherah were both worshipped, as well. 
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