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Brian Miller
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Posted: 29 May 2019 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Because it would be yet another example of how invincible he is, no matter the evidence against him. 
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He'd use it to feed his persecution complex, which could fire up his base to head to the polls even more.
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>>I keep reading this theory as self-evident: a failed impeachment could cost 
the Dems the election.<<

It's because of what happened to Clinton when he was impeached.  He only got more popular. The difference is, is Clinton kept doing his job passing legislation, etc. whereas the Orange one is going to hold his breath until he turns Blue until he gets what he wants.

The sample is too small to make anything of it.  Also, the fact the incumbent president has someone running against him in his own party is (so far) a disastrous sign for him, but again--small sample.
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And it would be painted 24-7 as a vindictive strike by a bunch of partisan, do-nothing,Trump-bashers. Every piece of evidence brought forward would be discounted and dismissed by Trump's side in the press while the more reasonable news outlets would not characterize any of it as being truly criminal until the outcome of the trial, which is already a guaranteed win for Trump. The Dems would look useless and incompetent while Trump runs victory laps around them day after day throughout the proceedings. 

Mind you, if something truly damning could be found; something that would actually be abhorrent even to his unshockable base, say, perhaps that rape trial that went away in 2016 when the victim received death threats, could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, the Dems should proceed regardless. It would be their job to take out the Criminal-In-Chief should they be able to do so cleanly. It would be the Republicans job to take him down as well, although they would never do so. Politics is a team sport and Trump is their golden boy. Party above all, including Country.

But a dirty, protracted, uphill battle of nuances, shadings, and debates over whether a crime is a crime if those committing it never looked up if it was a crime beforehand would largely benefit Trump and portray his accusers as limp and weak.

Part of me wants to see the dirty laundry show, no question, but from what we know of the evidence against Trump at this point, it wouldn't do any good. 

Did Mueller mention in his statement that he prepared his report for Congress and, as of yet, Congress has not been allowed to read the full version? He may have said all he had to say in the report, but our elected representatives have not been allowed to read all of what he had to say.

And considering the subject is the potential criminality of the highest official in the land, that's something that needs to be dealt with in its entirety. We know he's a braying ass, a liar, a punk, a cheap shot artist, a jerk to women, someone who doesn't pay his contractors, a serial adulterer, and a dweeb in constant need of financial bailout from daddy, but is he a flat-out traitor to his country? It shouldn't be an open question, and smokescreens, victory tweets, & FoxNews brown-nosing aside, it still very much is.

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He'd use it to feed his persecution complex, which could fire up his base to
head to the polls even more.

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This idea only makes sense if there are hidden Trump voters out there who
have been waiting for an obviously fake Senate Acquittal to jump on the band
wagon.

This is not happening.
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Conrad: It's because of what happened to Clinton when he was impeached.
He only got more popular.

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Not at the voting booth. George W. Bush won the election after his party's
impeachment "failed" in the Senate.

As you say, Clinton had the demeanor to wave off an impeachment. He
didn't self-immolate like Trump has a propensity to do.

So I am still left unclear how this translates into Trump getting more voters
than he's ever gotten before because of a failed Senate impeachment.
Especially when the baggage it carries is an extended obsessive press
analysis of his very real crimes - as opposed to the very different
complexion of Clinton's personal-life oriented lies.
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Brian: And it would be painted 24-7 as a vindictive strike by a bunch of
partisan, do-nothing,Trump-bashers.

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Everything. Is. Already. Painted. That. Way.

How would this result in MORE Trump voters?
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Posted: 29 May 2019 at 3:14pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Six more years. Unless he has a massive heart attack and falls on Mike Pence.

President Pelosi?

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Mark>>Not at the voting booth. George W. Bush won the election after his party's 
impeachment "failed" in the Senate.<<

Yes, in very Trumpian fashion:  via the Electoral College.

In the '98 midterms, the GOP actually lost 5 seats in the House, the Senate stayed even.  Newt Gingrich's prediction of gaining 30 seats because of the impeachment failed rather dramatically.
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JB's most utopian imagined future yet.
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Because. It. Would. Be. The. Only. Story. On. Television. All. Day. Every. Day. And it would be the Dems bringing it on themselves, initiating and presiding over a trial they can not win.

Trump doesn't need MORE voters. The number he has was already enough. He only needs a few folks here and there to stay home on Election Day, and waging a losing battle every day for months would discourage a great many already ambivalent Americans from participating further in our dog-and-pony-show political process. 

America loves a winner. Trump gets a lot of love from his loser fanbase by claiming to be one and playing the part. The Democrats would be Losers from day one of an impeachment investigation and every day after that, especially come the end when the Republicans assure us all that the whole gory process was all a big buncha' hooey and award their boy a solid-gold Get Out Of Jail Free card. 

Do you impress a lot of the people you meet by picking fights you can't win and then dragging your bloodied carcass across the pavement, tugging on their pant legs, and asking them for their support?

The Democrats need something with which they can win decisively. As of yet, they don't have it.

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Brian, please: Correct me if this does not summarize your point:

The final Senate vote on impeachment will be an acquittal and the resulting
news coverage will depress the Democratic turnout.
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