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Nathan Greno
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Michael Roberts
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Seems like he’s defeating his own argument. Would Marvel really have relegated the death of a major character to a limited edition collectors’ market book?
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Nathan Greno
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A friend on FB told me this guy also published these conspiracies a few years ago...
Edited by Nathan Greno on 20 May 2019 at 1:53pm
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Well, that's all the proof I need.A Spanish fanzine produced by a guy with a grudge who's been banned from this forum.
How could that not be an accurate account?
::eyeroll::
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Eric White
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A friend on FB told me this guy also published these conspiracies a few years ago...
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Yes, he's been pushing this for a while now.
I'm sure at the time Shooter wanted to publish an X-Men GN or special and he tossed that out to the press. He also tossed out other ideas and none of them came out either. I was intrigued by an announcement that Stan Lee and Gil Kane were going to do a Silver Surfer GN but I didn't smell a conspiracy when it never happened.
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Mark Haslett
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"aka GN featuring 'Days of Future Past'"
Aw crap. He brought out the big guns-- he referred to his own conspiracy
invention as "aka". That's going to leave a mark.
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Eric White
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Now that the guy cracked the "Death of Phoenix" conspiracy I need to set him loose on why Byrne and Austin didn't work with Don McGregor! 
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80 pages of full color, vellum stock, full-length, time travel and mind
transference with a remarkable heroine?
I'm sorry, but this is clearly another piece of the same conspiracy-- a variable
syndrome that hides the days of future truth (aka the goofball's errand).
BTW: Some special offer. You can buy it for 10$ in person or 9$ (plus 1$) to
buy it in advance!
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Nathan Greno
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Another one...
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DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, THE GN--THE COVER.
Three things were done under Salicrup editorship, before the ending of #137 was changed:
–The PITCH, written by Claremont from notes of phone talk.
–The AD, drawn by Salicrup.
–The COVER, sketched by Hannigan.
How do I know about the cover? Byrne admitted in Byrnerobotics that he drew the cover from a layout by Ed Hannigan, so I asked him about it, and he told me that it was true, and that SALICRUP asked him to use the WINGS cover as reference. He's at Facebook, he'll confirm it.
Sure, there're plenty of covers with a similar shot since the 40s, but Hannigan only got asked ONE reference: the Wings cover. Then add the Nixon poster from 1974 and you get an iconic image. Imho, in spite that Salicrup and Hannigan designed the image, the magic came from Byrne and Austin.
Chronologic order:
-----------Jim Salicrup, editor:
X-Men #137. Cover date: Sept, 1980. Released: June 17, 1980.
DAYS OF FUTURE PAST GN.
-----------Louise Simonson, editor:
X-Men Ann #4. Cover date: Nov, 1980. Released: Aug 5, 1980.
X-Men #139. Cover date: Nov, 1980. Released: Aug 19, 1980.
X-Men #141. Cover date: Jan, 1981. Released: Oct 21, 1980.
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Nathan Greno
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With this post, he promises the "shocking revelations will come in the near future"...!!!
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X-MEN #133 ORIGINAL PLOT--SUTHERLAND, WELLS.
I keep diving on the original plots, which is fascinating because you can discover references you didn't know, like that the Cyclops' mask was based on the one Ditko drew in Strange Tales #142 and 143.
It's also interesting to see how Claremont sometimes suggests visual approaches like the 'cuffs from Marvel Team-Up #54.
Remember, Claremont typed the plots of 133-134 and 135 in a single day SIX MONTHS in advance from the publication date of #133, so there were many details still to be solved. Like the names of Pierce and Leland, that's why Claremont calls them like the actors used as reference, Donald Sutherland and Orson Welles.
Notice how Byrne ignored the proposal of Storm's head-dress lying on a table, because in that long shot it would be hard to notice it. Sometimes the writer asks for things not feasible. Instead of that, Byrne added on his own the sequence with Ororo slave not included in the plot, so Jean shows clearly the head-dress in her hand and says that she won't able to use her lock-pits.
Sure, this is not shocking but interesting, and establish that the plots are the real thing. I'm diving chronologically so the shocking revelations will come in the near future.
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Nathan Greno
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"As promised, this is IT!"... the shocking reveal is finally here, folks...
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THE FIRST VERSION OF THE PLOT OF X-MEN #135--THE DEATH OF PHOENIX (Part 1)
As promised, this is IT! The historical document that describes the original ending of the saga as planned when it was only a FOUR issue arc! For FIRST time ever in USA!!
Sure, it was mentioned in a few interviews that one of the many possibilities played for the ending of the Saga was Phoenix dying during the psychic battle with Xavier, but NEVER was mentioned that this was the very FIRST ending, and that it was fully plotted!
It's also interesting to discover the mention of the Superman movie and how Byrne recycled it in the original ending of #137, as well as the Cyke shot.
As an extra, I also included an excerpt from 'Phoenix The Untold Story' where Byrne says clearly that he was working with a written PLOT just FOUR years after #137.
But this is just the first part, more to come in Monday and Tuesday, stay tuned!
Image of the document courtesy of Roy Batty.
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SUMMARY:
–Claremont developed the FIRST VERSION of the plots from notes taken after a phone call with Byrne.
–Originally the Dark Phoenix Saga covered X-Men #132-135.
–Issues #133-134 were written as a single plot and had to be split.
–Plots of #133-135 were written the same day, SIX MONTHS before #133 hit the stores.
–Roger Stern was the editor of the original plots.
–NO 'Phoenix goes cosmic' scene in the original #135 plot, hence NO killing of the D'Bari planet.
–Phoenix DIED at the end of #135.
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I'm still waiting for the shocking reveal... oh, that was it?
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