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Adam Schulman
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Posted: 08 October 2018 at 7:11pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

When I started on HIDDEN YEARS I expected there would be much rejoicing in fandom. Byrne was back on the X-Men! And it was the REAL X-Men!

No such luck. And I realized that for most fans, like you, the All New, All Different X-Men are the REAL X-Men.

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For me, they both are. Then again I read the late '60s Thomas/Adams/Palmer stories after reading the '70s and '80s stories. I just prefer to ignore most stories after things started to get "convoluted for the hell of it" with the introduction of Rachel Summers as an X-Man of the mainstream timeline. 

(I now realize I'm just repeating what Leigh DJ Hunt already said. Mea culpa.)



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I was introduced to the X-Men with the new team fighting the old team, albeit it robot doppelgangers, in issue #100. It wasn't until much later I discovered the history of the team(s). That being said, I always enjoyed the cameos of the originals during the Claremont/Byrne run. To me, they're all the X-Men and I'm delighted when JB works with any and all combinations of the characters.
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Nathan Greno
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Posted: 09 October 2018 at 11:10am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

These guys feel real to me

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JB, I really enjoyed the way you drew the Blob in XMHY. I don't have anything
against the super heavyweight version, but your "old school" Fred Dukes was
fun to see.
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Paul Wills
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Posted: 09 October 2018 at 4:17pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

That's a great poster page. One of the things that makes JB stand out among other artists is his ability to have the characters act so natural just standing there.


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Brian Miller
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Posted: 09 October 2018 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Quit bragging, Greno 
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Eric Ladd
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Posted: 10 October 2018 at 6:49am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

That commission along with the "Golden Years" commission grant Greno a lifetime bragging rights pass. ;)
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That's a commission piece? Good grief!
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Gundars Berzins
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Fantastic commission piece but no Bobby? My first exposure to the X-Men started with their appearances in Captain America #172-5. So those were my X-Men, but once I was involved with JB's run, those characters were added to my list. Ahh the thought of those great comics back then.
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Posted: 10 October 2018 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

sigh

I worry about people who devote time and effort to poring over a piece like this, looking for who isn’t there. How about devoting a portion of that intellectual energy to considering WHY Bobby is “missing”?

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-I guessed that there are only the characters you drew during your run in the book-
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Manuel Soler
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Posted: 10 October 2018 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Well Iceman only got cameo appearances (in the funeral issue in X-Men #138 and as a dead X-Man in Days of Future Past) during Byrne's run.
But what about poor Dazzler, reduced to only a small photo in a record jacket?
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Gundars Berzins
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I worry about people who devote time and effort to poring over a piece like this, looking for who isn’t there. How about devoting a portion of that intellectual energy to considering WHY Bobby is “missing”?

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I actually didn't study this image. All I had done is just look for some of my favorite characters in this piece and noticed he wasn't present. It wasn't a criticism about the work. I was unaware of any parameters to this commission.
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Nathan Greno
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Bobby appeared in 2 panels during JB's entire run and he doesn't have a line of dialogue...


..if JB drew a tiny guy wearing a tie and a black overcoat in that commission, you guys would still be asking why Bobby is missing. 

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Nathan Greno
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Manuel: But what about poor Dazzler, reduced to only a small photo in a record jacket?

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She's the same size as some of the background characters.

I thought it was a smart and creative way to add her to the commission. If anything, it made her stand out -- you did notice her.  
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Rebecca Jansen
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I first picked up two X-Men comics at once, one was the modern title #131 and the other was a reprint of half of #2 plus a later '60s origin back-up (Amazing Adventures #4). So I kind of got exposed to three eras at one sitting. Almost the same with the Avengers just before that with the JB modern title #189 and a John Buscema reprint of #56 (Marvel Super-Action #15... I'd traded a kid for #189 when it had been out a month or so already). And I was doing it with Spider-Man around the same time (Amazing #198 with Marvel Tales #108, and a couple paperbacks of Steve Ditko era issues! Definitely added a dimension, something to puzzle over when you were pretty new to the 'universe'. Is this fascinating or what?

What?

I don't know about any of them being more real than any other, except that Gambit and Jubilee would probably be where I'd become really old and say, "they were never in my X-Men".

Bobby Drake could be in that scene inside one of the Sentinels! You can't prove he isn't... :^)


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Greg Kirkman
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As is my way with these things, I gravitated toward the original team, when I was a kid. This despite the All-New team being at the top of the sales charts, during that era. I was more inclined to seek out issues of X-FACTOR in the back issue bins, rather than the main X-MEN book.

I still have a lot of fondness for the All-New team, of course, but the smaller original team and their dynamics just hit a nerve. Five teenagers against the world, y’know? You had a more mild version of the classic Stan Lee love triangle plot with Scott/Jean/Warren. There was a Thing/Torch dynamic with Hank and Bobby. Bobby was the kid with the attitude. Scott was the cool, brooding one, and an expert tactician. Professor X was the strict taskmaster with a dream. Hank was the smart one. Warren was the slightly spoiled rich kid. Jean was the heart.

Certain elements of that original team and that original run are certainly riffs on Marvel’s other team books of the era. And the book itself wasn’t really quite at the level of Marvel’s A-list books until the end of the original run, with Thomas/Adams. But, there’s just something about it which works for me on a fundamental level. I think the original series’ cult-popularity is a part of its charm. 
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Posted: 10 October 2018 at 11:57pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

I've been buying (and reading) JB's run as artist on X-Men (and, boy, are those Dark Phoenix issues getting expensive, I guess because of the new movie which looks terrible to me). His new stuff is better. 
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To me, The X-Men have always been about family and legacy; kinda like STAR TREK-  you have the original team laying down all the ground work and dynamics and then the next generation team to enrich that.  Whenever the original crew would be mentioned or appear in Next Generation, there was a certain thrill to see the "old crew" interact with the newbies, not to mention the excitement thinking about reunions.  Hidden Years was a dream come true because you had new adventures and new dynamics with the "old crew".  Elsewhen is a dream come true because you have the excitement and thrill of the possibilities of the "old crew" interacting with the newbies, just like they did in the original run (108-138) and a continuation of the magic that was started then.
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Posted: 11 October 2018 at 12:47pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Meanwhile, I think I may have figured out the difference between my pencils and my inks. Since I pencil with a pretty "dead" line - very little variation in thickness along the length -- the exercise becomes all about light and shadow.

In the inks, on the other hand, it's all about the line weight, and light and shade take a distant second place.

ART!!

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Posted: 11 October 2018 at 7:19pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Hey, if you had it all figured out by now, you’d probably get bored!
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A fate worse than death!
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 11 October 2018 at 10:56pm | IP Logged | 23 post reply

As a hobbyist, I can relate. I’ve built a bunch of model kits and prop replicas, but the only proper answer to the question “Which is your favorite?” is “The next one!”.

It seems that the eternal curse of the artist is to have an itch which can never be scratched!
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It seems that the eternal curse of the artist is to have an itch which can never be scratched!

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Yeah, constantly looking for ways to improve your craft -- that's the game. It's exciting every time you take a little step... makes you want to take another one. 
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What many fans don’t seem to understand is that we’re not machines, so all our “steps” won’t necessarily be in the right direction, and when a wrong path is taken, sometimes it can take a while to find the way back.
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