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Posted: 06 October 2018 at 4:58pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

“Formal”? Not really sure what that means in this context.
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The result, of course, is that what I am drawing looks a whole lot like it did in my head 38 years ago, but was then beyond my ability to achieve.

Odd, but somehow a distinct warming of the cockle

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This is why I feel you might be the best inker for this project, should it progress. Lock-and-step as you have advanced as a penciller, you have refined your inking to the point that I view you as the single best-equipped person to ink your own art.

Delighted with what we have already received, no matter how it pans out though!

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JB wrote: A curious element has found its way into my pencils as I continue to tinker and tweak. I seem to be experiencing a kind of retrogression in my thinking processes, building pages and panels as I would have in 1980, but with 2018 sensibilities. It's as if my younger self was doing the layouts, and my current self the finished pencils.
The result, of course, is that what I am drawing looks a whole lot like it did in my head 38 years ago, but was then beyond my ability to achieve.

Odd, but somehow a distinct warming of the cockles!


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A young man's enthusiasm, with a master's touch!


I keep going back to that panel of Kitty phasing through the grille on the vent. My favourite panel so far. Her determination and her powers at work, make for a great heroic pose.
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This is why I feel you might be the best inker for this project, should it progress. Lock-and-step as you have advanced as a penciller, you have refined your inking to the point that I view you as the single best-equipped person to ink your own art.

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Last time I’m going to say this:

This is something I created specifically NOT to ink myself.

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God, I'd love to see Terry or Trevor Scott ink this. 
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Those are both great choices!

JB, I ask this out of curiosity, not out of trying to generate anything, but what stands in the way of this becoming an actual comic we can buy (I'll buy 2, at least ;)  ) ? 
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From the posted article: 

“That was more of me being a fan and saying hello,” Cebulski said during the panel’s Q&A session. “We haven’t really discussed anything formally. I just wanted to let John know the opportunity for discussion is open.”


Very enthusiastic about the possibility of this series. I do hope it happens. Sounds like there’s been no discussion since (based on the article). 





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JB, I ask this out of curiosity, not out of trying to generate anything, but what stands in the way of this becoming an actual comic we can buy (I'll buy 2, at least ;) ) ?

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Marvel has screwed me over twice. I just want to be absolutely sure I won’t be going three for three.

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Understood, but does that mean you are talking to somebody over there, even if unofficially? 

Do questions about this topic make it less likely to happen? If so, I'll stop asking!
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I’ve been bouncing emails back and forth with CB. Unfortunately, he has, himself been bouncing all over the place, this being convention season.

Ah, for the Good Old Days! Archie Goodwin got me on X-MEN in the first place with a handshake! CB and I could have taken care of that when we had breakfast in Boston. We even had Chris Ryall there as a witness!

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You've already answered more questions on the topic of negotiations than I probably would have, JB, so I understand if you don't want to answer any more, but I'm curious as to what would need to be in the contract in order for you to feel confident you wouldn't be going "three for three"?

I'm also interested on your thoughts about this quote from the article posted above: "With Elsewhen, Byrne is offering his take on where his X-Men run would’ve gone without Shooter’s influence." Is that an accurate reflection of your intent with this project?
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Autonomy is my main concern. Since this project could obviously do no harm to the mainstream Marvel universe(s), I want to be sure no harm can be done to this project. This would mean a guarantee that there will be none of the editorial incompetence that vexed HIDDEN YEARS, for instance. That nothing would be changed without consulting me.

In Boston, CB seemed on board with that. We parted company with him wanting to check the sordid matter of coin (as I like to call money matters). That’s not actually a great concern to me.

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If it ever were to become formal I will get the outfit I wore to my brother's wedding out, but I expect everyone else here to rent some tuxs, okay? :^)

I'm kind of high on Al Milgrom lately. Is he still working? I did a search but not very good at it.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed...but now they're starting to cramp!
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WOW so emails have been exchanged, breaksfast has been shared...just wow...soon we'll hear of the inker's choice...I can't wait.
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I really really hope it can happen but I really really don't want you to have another bad experience/falling out with Marvel, JB. 

So I'm torn. I'd like to think things will be different this time. Maybe it should be a limited series? Get in, tell the tale that needs telling then get out. 
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Considering how many customers I speak with at the shop that are very dissatisfied with the current output from Marvel, if thus X-Men project becomes a reality and is promoted  right,  it could be more of a big success than some might think.
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Yes, the “stealth marketing” received by HIDDEN YEARS is NOT something I would want to see repeated!!
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My guess is “no formal discussions” just means “you can’t act like I lied to you if this thing falls through.”

Although, I do like to imagine people getting together in tuxedos and ball gowns whenever I hear the phrase “formal discussions,” so perhaps CB is just bemoaning the lack of a black tie.
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Yes, the “stealth marketing” received by HIDDEN YEARS is NOT something I would want to see repeated!!
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I have the sneaking suspicion that "Byrne draws the X-Men/Wolverine again!" would be hard to market stealthily!
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I was just sitting at the ol' drawing board, reviewing these pages one more time, and I realized something.

Many a time I have said these characters (except for Cyclops and X*) were not the "real" X-Men to me. That I took the assignment to pencil UNCANNY because if was SOME X-Men if not THE X-Men.

But as I look at these pages, I feel that something has changed, somewhere in the dark passageways of my mind. Scott, Jean, Hank, Bobby and Warren are the X-Men -- but now, so are these other guys!

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* Jean, under Chris' handling, did not feel like the real Jean, to me. And now we know why.......

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Glad you now feel that JB.

For some, myself included, these guys are the X-Men. I only read the early team's adventures much later and what's come since has rarely been of interest to me so this team is the real deal to me.
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When I started on HIDDEN YEARS I expected there would be much rejoicing in fandom. Byrne was back on the X-Men! And it was the REAL X-Men!

No such luck. And I realized that for most fans, like you, the All New, All Different X-Men are the REAL X-Men.

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I think ( and I've seen this in some articles and customers) That the original X-men failed. relegated to reprints before being cancelled.

Soon the "new" X-man had been around longer than the "old" X-Men! Which is why I set my sights on GS#1 to current for Colelcting back issues. (with 129 being my first back issue ever.) 
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 John Byrne wrote:
...I realized that for most fans, like you. the All New, All Different X-Men are the REAL X-Men...

I must confess, that is true to some extent.

Even though I was first exposed to the original X-Men via reprints... "X-Men" #3 in "Marvel's Greatest Superhero Battles (Fireside, 1978), and  "Marvel Treasury Edition #18: Astonishing Spider-Man" (1978), which reprinted "Marvel Team Up" #4 with the original X-Men, sans the superhero outfits... I do still feel MY X-Men were the team I first read in 'Uncanny X-Men" #122 (1979). Not coincidentally, that is also the issue that made JB my favorite artist! I enjoyed the original team, but the then-new team was exciting to me, and I loved the story and art more than any other comic I was reading during that period.

Not only do I agree that for those of us in my generation that grew up reading your X-Men comics, that team is to us the "real" team for us, I also think "Hidden Years" came out in an era where fans weren't as appreciative as maybe they should have been for such a series. Now, however, the fans -- especially older fans -- have seen the characters mishandled and so poorly treated for so long, this series will be welcomed by a sizable portion of the readership. And, yes, it being the "All-New" team will make a difference to many fans.

It certainly will get many who dropped Marvel in recent years to pick up a Marvel comic again.

I hope Marvel can work something out with you, JB. I also hope they keep whatever agreement you both might make, and take proper advantage to promote this series as the event it is.




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