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ITEM: Cannonball defeated Gladiator - what the ever-lovin' hell? Could Bulletman defeat Captain Marvel? Seems like the same question, and while that simple three word phrase doesn't necessarily have much to do with physical strength - I cannot imagine that Cannonball gains any extra strength when blasting - WHAT THE EVER-LOVIN' HELL? :)
ITEM: Robbie, your logic is exactly what I was trying to get around. Dr. Strange or Quasar might be able to provide additional strength to, say, Captain America - a man who is not possibly the strongest entity in the Marvel universe - but that would increase is physical ability. In a fight, sure, that's a honey of a boost. But not exactly who's got the muskles.
ITEM: David Allen Perrin: I think that a giant Hulk might not be much more powerful than the regular sized Hulk, eventually. But I do recall an Avengers annual in the Evolutionary Wars when Hercules was going to be evolved... and wonder what that would have done to his power. Also, the Hulk HAS been shrunk... there's a concept to ponder! Would an ant-size Hulk be as strong as full size? When Superman or the Kandorians were out of the bottle city, they were as powerful as ever...
ITEM: Dale Lerette, with no offense intended, you raise a topic of delicious irony! You cited " If we are talking about super-beings generally confined to the Earth..." And then, you discussed Thor and Hercules.
I intended the discussion to include superterrestrial beings such as Terrax, the Surfer, Gladiator... and Thor and Hercules. The latter two assuredly appear on Earth as far as Marvel is concerned... but it's not their base. I am not stating that you implied they are... it just makes me think (ALWAYS a dangerous thing!)
We have seen several deific pantheons... and they're all human religions. Have we ever seen the "Thor"' of the Skrulls, for example? If a race has no religion, then they have no gods... but could Hercules or Horus exist in such an environment? That ought to be a honey of a discussion, I feel.
Mr. Byrne, I am delighted that you enjoy this discussion so!
As to my choice... I think that I would go with Odin. He is the All-Father of a warrior race, which suggests to me that he is the top in the strength tree. YMMV, naturally.
For Earth realm-based characters (excluding gods, then), I think my basic comic book reading comes to the fore, and I go with Hyperion. But the difference between him and others might be in a matter of ounces.
See, there's no right answer to this question; in any given situation, in any given comic, strength can vary due to any number of circumstances. One of the great examples of this is in Mr. Byrne's "The Man with the Power", where the Thing's strength suddenly increases briefly while he is trying to hold up a bridge.
I am loving this discussion, and I have an observation that I do not want to influence it unduly... but nobody's mentioned any females. Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, She-Thing, Thundra... does no one think of them, or do they just not rank for this discussion?
And of course, save for the fact that he's not a Marvel character... Popeye busts 'em all in the mush. :)
Carry on, friends!!!
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