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James Woodcock
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I watched this episode over the weekend and thought the JB illustration was a weird choice. moreso in that it was being used not just to illustrate hypersexualisation but to illustrate a specific point in that process - the broken back woman.
The pose where you can fully see the butt cheeks and the chest at the same time, and the JB illustration used does not in the slightest way illustrate this point. I actually don't think this illustration fits the point in any way shape or form.
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Peter Martin
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I don't claim to be an anatomy expert, but is there even enough room in there for all her internal organs------------------------------------- I don't think it's an impossibly narrow waist, though it is unusually narrow. Audrey's Hepburns' waist had a narrower circumference than the average head and I believe she had all her internal organs intact.
Edited by Peter Martin on 11 September 2017 at 8:29am
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 September 2017 at 9:08am | IP Logged | 3
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Was Trina Robbins involved in this, by any chance?
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David Allen Perrin
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| Posted: 11 September 2017 at 9:22am | IP Logged | 4
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She is in the video offering comment.
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Steve De Young
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Yeah...I sure wish they'd have more women in comics with realistic anatomy, like they do with male superheroes. So many male superheroes with a belly and crooked teeth.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 September 2017 at 10:02am | IP Logged | 6
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Whenever anyone asked why I drew Storm with big boobs, I used to skip the obvious answer (that's how Dave designed her) and say it was because Colossus had big boobs.
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Andrew Bitner
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Someone once asked me why the artists of the '90s all drew women with broken backs, super-long legs and huge boobs. I didn't have a good answer, then or now.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 September 2017 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 8
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The answer is "that's what people buy".
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Eric Jansen
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Not to defend the horrible costume, but wasn't that a plot point? The sexy outfit was actually a sign that something was WRONG with Sue! If the creators are using the costume to make a statement about something wrong with comics, I don't quite think it's fair to take it out of context to make the opposite point. The same for those two scantily clad women in the HARLEY page. I believe they were supposed to be extreme. Context DOES matter.
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Brian Floyd
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Didn't the Malice personality returning have something to do with that costume?
And she did ditch the costume once that problem was dealt with.
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John Byrne
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...the Malice personality returning...••• AKA a complete misunderstanding of the character. sigh
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Joe Zhang
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The superhero genre is an adolescent power fantasy that appeals mostly to boys. Going against the sexualization of women in comics is the Liberal equivalent of the Church trying to stamp out porn.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 11 September 2017 at 6:29pm
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