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Bradley Dean
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Posted: 10 September 2017 at 6:13am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Found this interesting clip online. They selected a Byrne image of Wonder Woman at 2:42. I felt that image was out of place and didn't match the topic of the clip, but otherwise interesting to watch. 

http://www.history.com/shows/superheroes-decoded/season-1/ep isode-1/the-hypersexualization-of-women-in-comics

(Not sure how to get the link to work.... arrgh)


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Bradley Dean
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I always thought this Paul Ryan Invisible Woman costume was pretty crazy as a kid. 



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It was the %20 problem.  That indicates a hexadecimal space inserted there.

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Michael Penn
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Posted: 10 September 2017 at 6:43am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

That use of JB's Wonder Woman as an example of hyper-sexualization is, well, to quote from "Friends": ...you could not be more wrong... you could try... but you would not be successful.
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Posted: 10 September 2017 at 6:47am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Somewhere along the line, I got branded as one of the ones who over-sexualized the female characters. A lot of this came about as a result of the She-Hulk book, where the hyper-zaftig nature of the character (not my doing) made just about anything she did or said seem to have a sexual subtext.

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Posted: 10 September 2017 at 6:48am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

That Invisible Woman costume is so far off the mark it's staggering that it was allowed. The official transformation of Sue into a MILF.

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Josh Goldberg
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Posted: 10 September 2017 at 7:34am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

The Invisible Woman has an unusually narrow waist in that pic above.  I don't claim to be an anatomy expert, but is there even enough room in there for all her internal organs? 
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Trevor Smith
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"I don't claim to be an anatomy expert, but is there
even enough room in there for all her internal organs?"

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Nope - welcome to the 90s!
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Josh Goldberg
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JB can draw women who are both attractive, AND have room for internal organs.  I don't know why others can't.

 
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Eric Jansen
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Okay, the two things I got out of that video are:

1. Everything was exaggerated in the 90's.

2. And it's the Image guys' fault.

At least they were fair and mentioned that men were drawn out of proportion as well.  They were unfair to include John Byrne's slender, athletic Wonder Woman or (right after mentioning unrealistic proportions) Terry Dodson's healthy Harley Quinn (not to call him a tracer, but I'm sure he uses some pretty good reference!).

I'm glad I moved into the Independents in the 90's.  (I notice no mention of all the realistic people comics that came out at the time.)  It seems that the mainstream was a real wasteland at the time.  (I hardly ever see anything from that time period in the back issue boxes that I want.)
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Posted: 10 September 2017 at 11:46pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I think JB's Wonder Woman is pretty tame
compared to Mike Deodato's butt floss
Artemis. I've loved that JB draws sexy
women without making it porn. Take
Aurora's yellow costume. She had more
covered than many women in comics. But, at
age 13, I thought she was drawn so sexy,
that if I were in that world, I would've
ridden that crazy train all the way to
therapy.
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Mike Norris
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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 12:05am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

JB's women always seem natural and real, not posing super models or porn stars.  Probably because he understands anatomy. 
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I watched this episode over the weekend and thought the JB illustration was a weird choice. moreso in that it was being used not just to illustrate hypersexualisation but to illustrate a specific point in that process - the broken back woman.

The pose where you can fully see the butt cheeks and the chest at the same time, and the JB illustration used does not in the slightest way illustrate this point. I actually don't think this illustration fits the point in any way shape or form.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 8:29am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

 I don't claim to be an anatomy expert, but is there even enough room in there for all her internal organs
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I don't think it's an impossibly narrow waist, though it is unusually narrow. Audrey's Hepburns' waist had a narrower circumference than the average head and I believe she had all her internal organs intact.





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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 9:08am | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Was Trina Robbins involved in this, by any chance?
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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 9:22am | IP Logged | 16 post reply

She is in the video offering comment.
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Steve De Young
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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 9:45am | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Yeah...I sure wish they'd have more women in comics with realistic anatomy, like they do with male superheroes.  So many male superheroes with a belly and crooked teeth.
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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 10:02am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Whenever anyone asked why I drew Storm with big boobs, I used to skip the obvious answer (that's how Dave designed her) and say it was because Colossus had big boobs.
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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 10:42am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Someone once asked me why the artists of the '90s all drew women with broken backs, super-long legs and huge boobs. I didn't have a good answer, then or now.
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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

The answer is "that's what people buy".
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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 3:49pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Not to defend the horrible costume, but wasn't that a plot point?  The sexy outfit was actually a sign that something was WRONG with Sue!  If the creators are using the costume to make a statement about something wrong with comics, I don't quite think it's fair to take it out of context to make the opposite point.  The same for those two scantily clad women in the HARLEY page.  I believe they were supposed to be extreme.  Context DOES matter.

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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

Didn't the Malice personality returning have something to do with that costume?

And she did ditch the costume once that problem was dealt with.


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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 5:19pm | IP Logged | 23 post reply

...the Malice personality returning...

AKA a complete misunderstanding of the character.

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Posted: 11 September 2017 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

The superhero genre is an adolescent power fantasy that appeals mostly to boys. Going against the sexualization of women in comics is the Liberal equivalent of the Church trying to stamp out porn. 

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Carol Danvers portrayed a few years ago:


Carol Danvers today:

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