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James Johnson
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Bryan,

You're looking to our elected officials finding Profiles in Courage?

Good luck with that shit. 

You'll have better luck in finding Santa Claus.


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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Trump is seeking advice on whether or not he can preemptively pardon his 3 oldest children and Jared Kushner. And possibly himself.

You may disagree with me, but I like that idea.

Why?

Because it could kill any political plans. Pardoning them could be admitting guilt, which could kill any future aspirations for political office.

Trump may very well pardon himself, then use it as a defense if brought up on charges in New York once he leaves office. According to some experts, that would not fly, because a President can only pardon someone for federal crimes. (Personally, I do not think a President should be able to pardon themself, period.)






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Marc Baptiste
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

"Pardoning them... could kill any future aspirations for political office."

HA!  Then you do NOT know his supporters very well, my friend!!

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Paul Kimball
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 1:41pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

"Pardoning them... could kill any future aspirations for political office."

HA! Then you do NOT know his supporters very well, my friend!!
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Sadly you are beyond 1000% correct on this, I will bet right now that if any of
them do run for office, they will bring up the pardon as one of their proudest
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David Miller
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Trump tormenting his fecal children by threatening to withhold pardons is probably as relatable and likable as he's been since the time he reassured a virginal Apprentice contestant that sex was wonderful.
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

My point is, that pardoning them could possibly render them ineligible to run for office. Who cares what their base thinks if that happens?


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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 4:08pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Brian,

Wrong again - a full and unconditional pardon would clean the slate (e.g., it restores felons right to vote in federal elections, it doesn't take it away) it wouldn't set up any barriers like ineligibility.

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Greg McPhee
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 4:28pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Pardons for Federal crimes, but the NYSD isn't through with the Trumps and their ilk.
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Mark Waldman
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Posted: 03 December 2020 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

It's pretty funny how all of this is playing out as planned. All along Trump was using the presidency to line his pockets and protect himself from the crimes he was trying to escape from. His destructive presidency was one part F you to America, one part Putin telling him to give a big F you to America, and one part keeping safe as long as possible as the WH was the only place he could stay out of court, and likely prison for money laundering, tax evasion, etc.

Pardoning himself and his family is of course an admission of guilt and while no one really cares about that, least of all his cult, it will be something that crushes him when it comes to the SDNY. He's telegraphing he and his family's crimes to the prosectors who have been waiting for him for 4 years. Why would Jared, Don Jr. or Ivanka say need a pardon? Oh, right.

It won't end well for any of them. I see him going to prison or fleeing to Russia, likely with the idiot sons in tow. Jared and Ivanka could go there (Jared does look like a KGB agent, wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to be one), or to their pals in Saudi Arabia. The latter may be safer. I don't see a cold hearted killer like Putin setting the Trumps up in a luxury apartment or mansion, more likely cages.

The sad part is, lots of destruction, death and heartache for America from now until then. Not sure anyone can put this back together - the fake news (yes, the alt right machine, of which Fox is just a minor participant), is that strong. The brainwashing is complete. Hopefully the less affected will see Joe's presidency isn't so bad and hey, they actually get stuff with him in office. Maybe the malaise wears off. But hey, I'm being optimistic. A hard road ahead.

Stupidity is not uniquely American but as the MAGA hat wearers would boast, "We're #1!"
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There is no way on earth that Trump pardoning himself will be seen as
an admission of guilt.

It will be seen as plating himself against any possible future corrupt
investigations into non-existent crimes.

Remember, the call was a perfect call & the impeachment was corrupt.
Trump says there was no crime ergo, there was no crime.

Any evidence, any investigation, will be false & thus it is his duty, as
President, to protect himself once he is forced to leave office through a
stollen election. The dark forces that swirl around him will try to ensure
he goes to prison.

He is left with no option but to pardon himself & those loyal to him. No
choice.

He’ll be a bigger hero than ever
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Posted: 04 December 2020 at 6:24am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

He can pardon himself all he wants. It won’t protect him from what the
state of New York is gonna hit him with.
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Posted: 04 December 2020 at 8:57am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Still... he could pardon himself, his litter of piglets, several assorted fecal people, and that would remove the pleasure of seeing them manacled, arrested, tried, and deported*. And I'm not certain what a presidential pardon carries with it; I don't know if it works as an admission of guilt. It's a dirty trick, probably illegal, and the straw that 45 is clinging to to save his sorry ass post-inauguration. But I'll wager that a number of legal interpreters are looking at it veeeeerrrrrry closely right now.
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