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Stéphane Garrelie
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| Posted: 24 August 2025 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | 1
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France. And that's how we answer this kind of thing.Sometime iimperfectly, but if we may disagree with the law, it is still something clear to argue about, and the rule to follow as long as it stands.
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Robin Taylor
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| Posted: 25 August 2025 at 3:26pm | IP Logged | 2
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Germany seems to have a handle on how to handle specific symbols of hat. Here in Canada we have hate speech laws that I don't think go far enough but they do exist.
Edited by Robin Taylor on 25 August 2025 at 3:27pm
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño
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| Posted: 27 August 2025 at 2:57pm | IP Logged | 3
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Banning books for spreading hate depends on the views of
groups, large or small, with specific leanings (left,
right, center, etc.), so we shouldn't fall for those
games.
Let's assume the ban is successful and hate speech ceases
to exist... The human mind in society is insatiable; more
quickly than immediately, hate would be found in other
discourses; humans can't stop their fixation on limiting
themselves in everything.
Furthermore, the true generators of hate would be
generating subtleties, and no one would discover them
until it was too late. Freedom of expression allows us to
know the intentions (whether they lie is another matter)
of people and their twisted minds.
I prefer to stay away from a person who openly says
unpleasant things than to find out too late.
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Steve Coates
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| Posted: 27 August 2025 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | 4
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I prefer not to limit freedom of expression. It is much easier to identify the fools.
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño
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| Posted: 27 August 2025 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 5
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"Doing it for the good of others" is a well-worn excuse.
What kind of hysterical person* tries to control
everything?
Parents deciding to prohibit certain printed materials
from their children seems normal to me. In certain
religious communities, this is done with materials
foreign to their beliefs. But for certain groups to
decide for the rest of humanity, whether through laws or
the power of social media, seems a great injustice to me.
*Understanding the concept of a hysterical person as
someone who thinks they know what others need, but in the
process completely ignores their own needs and problems.
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Brad Monje
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| Posted: 28 August 2025 at 7:32pm | IP Logged | 6
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My son is 17 years old now, but a few years ago, lists of banned books were usually what he would use as a guide for what to go out and find to read. I know that he has read a coupld from that list.
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Rick Whiting
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| Posted: 28 August 2025 at 11:59pm | IP Logged | 7
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I'm black/African American and I'm a firm believer that ALL speech should be protected. Especially hate speech, regardless of how disgusting and hateful said hate speech may be. Banning hate speech would be a perfect example of paving the road to hell with good intentions. It oppresses a person's right to voice their opinions and it also causes an increase in idiotic and untrue conspiracy theories about things that are truthful.
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Robin Taylor
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| Posted: 29 August 2025 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | 8
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The cool thing is that the Alberta government just banned about 200 books, not for hate speech but mostly accidentally as collateral damage for going after LGBTQ material because an American christo-fascist organization gave them the list. Alberta is the dumbest of provinces and run by a passel of idiots who have never read the books they banned like A Handmaids Tale and Brave New World as a couple of examples
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Jonathan A. Dowdell
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| Posted: 29 August 2025 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | 9
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My local school board member chose to be sworn in with her hand on a stack of "banned" books as protest to book banning.
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John Byrne
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The cool thing is that the Alberta government just banned about 200 books…••• I don’t recall any actual banning when I lived there, tho one issue of PLAYBOY caused a ruccus in the Sixties. The anual “Sex in Cinema” feature presented an article on hard core pornography, and although the pictures were quite innocuous by today’s standards, the Alberta censors ordered retailers to tear out the offending pages. And it gets worse. Those who had subscriptions found their copies had been intercepted and the pages torn out before the magazines were delivered.
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Steve Coates
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| Posted: 29 August 2025 at 6:37pm | IP Logged | 11
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The Alberta Government did not ban any books. The story is about the removal of books in the Edmonton School Board controlled libraries. There are about 63 school boards (divisions) in Alberta. The list which is in the news is an internal Edmonton Public Schools' document. There have been no other Alberta school boards identified as removing books.
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Steve Coates
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| Posted: 29 August 2025 at 6:55pm | IP Logged | 12
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It was a cool autumn evening and Bob had the shakes. He needed a fix. Up ahead he saw a figure move away from the pale street light, almost disappearing into the shadows. Bob slowed his pace and whispered into the darkness, "Got any George R. R. Martin?"
"No," came the reply, "but I have Neil Gaiman."
"I need George R. R. Martin. Do you know where I can get some?", Bob rejoined with a trembling quiver in his voice.
"Well, not at the Edmonton Public school libraries.", came the snide reply with retreating footsteps, trailing off, deeper and deeper into the darkness.
Edited by Steve Coates on 29 August 2025 at 6:55pm
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