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Brian Price
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Posted: 24 May 2023 at 3:56am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I've always thought Cerebus 20 was really cool, with all the pages of the comic assembled together form a giant Cerebus montage.


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When I did GENERATIONS 3* I designed the covers to form a large face of Darkseid. Im the first to admit the finished product was not entirely successful, but some fans were complaining they could not see the face after acquiring only the first issue!!

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* Which came close to being GENE RAT IONS courtesy of a particularly clumsy logo design that had the 3 pushing up from below.

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I've always thought Cerebus 20 was really cool, with all the pages of the comic assembled together form a giant Cerebus montage.

That's pretty cool!


Anyway, David Aja's Pizza Dog Issue on HAWKEYE is always worth mentioning.

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Posted: 24 May 2023 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I wish there was a way to quantify and celebrate the kind of "invisible" creativity that sets apart those who can effectively get across in a single, well-chosen panel what others might do in 5 pages.

As this thread extends, I see the balance tipping toward more achievement in eye-candy over storytelling.

Looking at comics today, I rarely see work that convinces me it is drawn in the "right" number of pages to tell the story it's telling. I realize that's a subjective problem with ME, but it's vexing all the same.
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Posted: 24 May 2023 at 7:31pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

We shouldn't go to much further then without acknowledging Eisner's innovative layout in the service of engaging storytelling.
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"Anyway, David Aja's Pizza Dog Issue on HAWKEYE is always worth mentioning."

That particular panel doesn't really do anything for me, but Aja is a brilliant storyteller.  

Sometime in the past, someone posted this YouTube video of a French artist analyzing one of his panels, and it demonstrates there is a lot more thought and technique that goes into designing a page than I would ever have recognized as a non-artist.  




 
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Always loved this page from Strange Tales *168 (The Day the Earth Died). Shots of Dum Dum from three different angles, all while keeping a full-figure shot of Val from the back, stationary. Really clever. Pretty sure Steranko had to bend the rules of perspective here a bit, and yet my mind is telling me that this works!
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David Aja came to mind right away- creative and beautiful, wicked stylish to boot.
On the indie side, Chris Ware and Dan Clowes have a way with a panel or a page.
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I think that Steranko page is a success -- taking what could be a dull page of exposition that sent him to consult Wood's "22 Panels that Always Work" sheet. Innovative design makes this one exciting and unforgettable.

I suspect, however, the story would have worked fine with this page condensed to a single panel on a page of 6. Steranko sometimes played dangerously close to the boundary where style outweighs substance.
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All I'm seeing off the top of my head is a Paul Smith panel from X-Men #168 with Kitty dancing at dance class. Something an animator would think of? I'm sure it was done before, like maybe by Bernie Kriegstien in an EC or something, and definitely done memorably after... but that one low key sequence in a single panel made an impression on me.

No specific single panel, but there were scenes of characters freezing in snowstorms by JB that gave me shivers big time. Maybe the splash from X-Men #114 with beast and Phoenix? Brrr.

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 Mark Haslett wrote:
Steranko sometimes played dangerously close to the boundary where style outweighs substance.

Agreed. Steranko came up with many pages that looked amazing and arresting and original, but they weren't necessarily great in terms of storytelling.

I actually rate Frank Miller extremely highly in terms of coming up with bold page and panel designs that were always ultimately in service of the sequential storytelling.


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... fond memories of the Negative Zone landscape layout issue!
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