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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 November 2022 at 2:49pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

It seems I see this question raised every time there is a shooting in this country. And it seems to me that the answer is obvious. The reason these shootings continue, the reason tens of thousands of Americans die each year, is cowardly state and federal legislators who know there are more gun owners, who vote, than gun violence victims, who mostly cant.
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Daniel Gillotte
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Posted: 21 November 2022 at 3:43pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I think even more than gun owners it's gun lobbyists and money.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 November 2022 at 4:15pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Who are gun owners.

The ones the legislators most fear.

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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 21 November 2022 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

For what it's worth - not that I was ever a "gun nut" - but your argument about guns' only express purpose being to kill people (versus other things that could be banned that also kill people) set me firmly on your side of the debate.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 21 November 2022 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Properly used, a gun has only one purpose: to kill.
Too many owners--responsible and not--are too much in love with having that power at their command.
Until the rest of us gather and exercise our power at the ballot box, they'll continue to have their way.
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 21 November 2022 at 9:03pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I once saw a preacher from America live and
they spoke about things they wanted to do.

I then saw the same preach on video but it was
being given to an American audience. Same list
bar one important addition.

He wanted to kill something that was capable
of killing him.
Told me everything I needed to know about
those who worship guns while also showing me a
basic difference between many Americans and
British.
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Casey Sager
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Posted: 22 November 2022 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Too many things such as gun ownership and healthcare are handled much better by the rest of the civilized world.

It's really irritating when I dicuss these issues with people I know on the right because they have no answer when I ask if Canada or England etc are "communist" countries as they call universal healthcare or gun control "communist ideals".
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 22 November 2022 at 6:44pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Chris Claremont did once give an interview
where he compared left and right in the UK and
USA.
What was right in the UK, the USA would
consider left. What was left, the USA would
probably put in prison.
Not the case now if course.

I have considered creating a Venn diagram of
the following
Trump supporter
Gun advocate
Anti Vax
Climate change denier
Right wing Christian
Some form of racist
Anti gay

But I realised it would just be one big
circle.
You know that if someone is one of those
things, they are all those things.
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 22 November 2022 at 8:27pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Weirdly, the anti-vaccination thing (prior to COVID) was more of a left-wing bit of idiocy, but it's definitely been fully co-opted by MAGA.
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 22 November 2022 at 8:41pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Left-Wing anti-vax was more about possible long term side effects and believing vaccines might cause Autism. Right-Wing anti-vax is more or less conspiracy theory/COVID is a scam. Saw some idiot yesterday with a "I Survived The SCAMdemic" bumper sticker on his vehicle.

I've said before that I'm a moderate independent (Democrat leaning since Obama's second term), and I think both sides were off their rocker regarding vaccines. I could understand being wary regarding side effects when COVID vaccines first came out, though. 


 


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John Wickett
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Posted: 23 November 2022 at 3:25am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

"I could understand being wary regarding side effects when COVID vaccines first came out, though."

Considering the normal protocols that were waived to get the vaccines out quickly, along with the amount of false information that was out there concerning vaccine safety I agree; although much of that was laughably stupid.

I think a lot of the right wing opposition had more to do with the vaccine being required, than it did with any perceived dangers, or the belief that the pandemic was a scam.  I know there were some who took that position, but I think they were in the minority, even among anti-vaxers.  

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Posted: 23 November 2022 at 8:40am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

http://https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/23/us/chesapeake-shoo ting-walmart-virginia.html

Another mass shooting. 10 people dead.

This will never end.
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