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Eric Smearman
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Dammit...
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Greg Kirkman
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As an aside, this reminds me of a story I've told before-- As a kid, I picked up a copy of AF # 100, which featured the resurrected Mac, and told the story of how he had returned (the one involving his being transported to Ganymede by the explosion). Even as a kid, I thought that this was completely preposterous and stupid. It wasn't until after I read AF # 100 that I picked up the last few issues of JB's run, which--to my surprise--used that very same "explanation" for Mac's return. Except, in JB's story, it was brilliant--just crazy enough to be believable for a grief-stricken widow, but also just crazy enough to make readers' Spider-Senses tingle. And, of course, it all turned out to be a nasty bit of deception...which, post-JB, then became totally canonical. So, so stupid.
Edited by Greg Kirkman on 31 December 2012 at 10:28pm
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Kevin Brown
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| Posted: 31 December 2012 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | 3
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Vinny, you're a VERY fortunate person to receive that! A great commission to end the year!
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Brian Hague
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The expert gray tone work makes this one reminiscent of the great John Severin. Impressive.
Edited by Brian Hague on 31 December 2012 at 11:44pm
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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle
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So... Amazing !
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Vinny Valenti
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Greg wrote:
And, of course, it all turned out to be a nasty bit of
deception...which, post-JB, then became totally canonical.
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That's ok, Greg. Since the given explanation could not have possibly
happened (Guardian could not have spontaneously teleported if his
body was shown burning to the ground), I use that to mean that
Guardian is still dead. No mental gymnastics needed, just common
sense.
The writer responsible for making it "canonical", Fabian Nicieza, must
have read AF#25, but clearly never went back to read #12 to see that
Courtney's story could not possibly be true. He has a habit of doing
that. Look here for another example regarding
Psylocke's Asian form. He missed an a key issue which rendered his
retcon impossible (sound familiar?) only this time somebody caught it
and he was forced to revisit the retcon just 10 issues later and
ret-retcon it in order to fix things.
I'm still waiting for another writer to use this fact to prove that whoever
is running around in Guardian's costme these days has to be an
imposter.
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Brian Hague
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As I recall, JB's explanation of the human figure visibly burning and crumbling to the ground in AF #25 was that the air around Mac had carbonized due to the fire and the teleportation effect and thus what we saw was a thin, hollow shell breaking apart where Mac had been standing... Which I thought was creative. I didn't necessarily buy it, but I thought it was fun. I was glad the absurdity of the aliens from Gandymede's saving Mac story was done as a quick reveal rather than a prolonged event with a surprise "reveal" later. Of such inspirations are three-year long story arcs made these days... My memory may be playing me false here, but around the same time as I recall, Halo's origin was being given over in the Outsiders and it too strained credulity with it's tale of violent Violet Harper's rescue from imminent death by the intervention of alien beings called Aurikles. I couldn't quite buy that one either, but sadly, no that was being told with a straight face...
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Brian Hague
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I like Steven Myers' proposal for saving Mac upthread. It would tie in nicely if Roxxon had cheated Jaxon and his team with this bit of theatre, making off with the tech that it sought as well as it's inventor. All that would be needed would be an "insert page" between those last few seconds ticking away and Heather's entrance into the room showing the Roxxon team and Courtney watching all of this play out and rapidly conjuring up a hologram and flash effect for Heather's benefit... Hmm... Not that Guardian's death should be undone. It shouldn't. But it is an artful dodge...
Edited by Brian Hague on 01 January 2013 at 1:24am
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Vinny Valenti
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"As I recall,JB's explanation of the human figure visibly burning and
crumbling to the ground in AF #25 was that the air around Mac had
carbonized due to the fire and the teleportation effect and thus what we
saw was a thin, hollow shell breaking apart where Mac had been
standing"
But a layer of carbonized air would not just stand there for a second or
two, nor would it strain out the word "Heather...." on the way down to
the ground as shown on page 1. There is just no way that the scene
could work other than the way JB intended. Guardian is dead, and
there is still no explanation that works that makes him alive again.
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Rafael S Fernandez
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Rafael S Fernandez
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Hello everyboddy and happy new year!
This commission is wonderful, I love it!
It has remembered me that impressive previous page, with the Guardian countdown. That is one of my best moments of comic.
Thanks again and congratulations, Master!
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John Byrne
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The writer responsible for making it "canonical", Fabian Nicieza, must have read AF#25, but clearly never went back to read #12 to see that Courtney's story could not possibly be true. He has a habit of doing that. Look here for another example regarding Psylocke's Asian form. He missed an a key issue which rendered his retcon impossible (sound familiar?) only this time somebody caught it and he was forced to revisit the retcon just 10 issues later and ret-retcon it in order to fix things.•• Also brought back Terrax, after I'd had him consumed by the Power Cosmic. Pretty thorough way to get dead, I would have thought, even in the Marvel Universe. Came back in the wrong borough, too!
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