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Thomas Woods
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Posted: 10 February 2019 at 6:21am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

It's illegal for a foreign national to make a donation, contribution or any
other thing of value, or an to make an express or implied promised in
connection with a Federal, State or local election.

It is also a crime for a person to solicit, accept or receive a contribution
as described above from a foreign national.

Clearly there was a promise to make a contribution of value in
connection with an election. Clearly it was accepted.



But they have not arrested him. There are lawmakers that argue he
didn’t do enough, that the situation should be called a donation or
contribution. Nothing was handed over, etc. I think that part of the
investigation is pretty much a dead end.
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James WI’m not an expert , so correct me if I am wrong.
But I think when Trump says we will never be socialist
he is talking about

- there is a dictator
- everyone is making the same amount of money
- everyone has the same house, car, etc
- everyone has the same healthcare
- the media is completely controlled
- no freedom, very little options in life.



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Is THAT what Socialism is? Wow... Trump/s right in that we don't and shouldn't want that.

Still, it's hard to avoid the perception that SOMEBODY in the current administration is driving the bus in that direction!

You may not see it, Thomas Woods. If not, just say so; I believe many people in this topic will provide you examples. And surely, others who side with you will provide counter examples. Open debate, y'know... unless you feel that every Trump supporter is being censored or blocked in this discussion. You know... such as yourself.

But I know you believe it, and I'll stand up to defend your right to say (and post) it, even though I disagree with it.
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Well there are various forms but that is what they Strive for isn’t it

- More and more income equality, it’s not about the individual
- they own all the land, no individual does
- they own all the businesses, no individual does
- therefore they own all the news outlets


And if you are talking about Trump becoming a dictator, he wouldn’t live
very long if he tried.
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Thomas Wood posted:
James WI’m not an expert , so correct me if I am wrong. 
But I think when Trump says we will never be socialist 
he is talking about 

- there is a dictator
- everyone is making the same amount of money
- everyone has the same house, car, etc
- everyone has the same healthcare 
- the media is completely controlled
- no freedom, very little options in life.
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Not one aspect of that is Socialism.
That's not even Communism, or at least it's not any communism that is practised in this world (but then, I truly believe that Communism and fascism meet each other in that aspects of the above apply to both but both result in a mega elite that control the general populace through force and censorship)
What you posted was a Dictatorship, which could start out as either left wing or right wing. The end result is pretty much the same in both cases.

Socialism recognises that there will be differences between different people - you don't expect a fighter pilot to be paid the same as a bin man for example.
What it does have as an underpinning ethos, is that those that have, will assist those that do not, through various means - that might be social welfare, social health care. You may, or may not, have the option of private health care and education (as examples) - personally, I think these options should be kept for example.

As with everything, Socialism can exist to different degrees. Many on the right would say any Socialism is wrong and yet, when things go horribly wrong, would want the collective to assist in setting the ship right, such as with the banks. But I'm pretty sure there are many that would argue that that was a market necessity rather than a Socialist solution. I wouldn't agree.
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"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide."
-Ayn Rand

"The goal of socialism is communism."
-Lenin

A social democracy is not socialism. As long as there is choice, it is ok. If you force someone by threat of violence to participate, then it is not. 
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- there is a dictator
- everyone is making the same amount of money
- everyone has the same house, car, etc
- everyone has the same healthcare 
- the media is completely controlled
- no freedom, very little options in life. 

When I was living in China, we went on a field trip to a model Communist village, created by the government to showcase the perfection of socialism. Everyone had the same house, they had equal health care, they each had a bicycle outside their house and everyone had a chicken and a pig. The people living there were not allowed to move so they just sat around and smoked and posed for pictures with the tourists in hopes of a few coins. Good luck going to the media to comment about this. 

China - "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics"
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Socialism killed Venezuela


Watched this, goes over some of what I mentioned
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At James, yeah I think some forms of socialism can work within our
capitalist system.
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Some forms already work and have worked within the US system.Too many to list, but for some reason they are rarely recognized.
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We already have socialism in America. It's just dedicated to making sure large corporations and billionaires don't have to pay taxes.

I'd love to see what actual functioning capitalism is like in my lifetime. It's probably better than this for most people!
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There was an aspect of this that I had considered that I believe has been touched upon in Star Trek and on the Silver Age Krypton (and possible elsewhere, surely.)

At the minimum in society, no one is homeless; no one is starving; no one is dying because of their living conditions. So the government would provide the following
  • Everyone has somewhere to live - mind you, it may be a one bedroom flat with bathroom, but they have a place to get out of the heat and the cold.
  • Everyone has food. They may have to go to a food kitchen to dine, and it may be very basic (e.g., meat loaf and potatoes and carrots) for each meal - but no one starves.
  • Everyone has clothing. Again, it could be the most basic level - cotton tunic and pants, plastic boots - but they are not unclad.
  • Everyone has access to basic travel - a bus, a subway, etc.
  • Everyone gets elementary entertainment. Access to libraries and "television" theaters, and radio in their living quarters.
  • All citizens have access to a good education system.

Now obviously, not many people would appreciate this level of subsistence (once they were used to not starving or freezing.) And the answer might be socialistic - but if you want more, you do more. Want a better living cubicle? Go work cleaning up parks and sidewalks. If you work in a factory, you get a voucher to go to a better dining hall once in a while. You can have a car if you work in a more important industry.

Obviously, this is a very generalized concept, but it occurs to me that a society where no one starves to death, or perishes from weather extremes, or has to commit crimes just to survive is probably a good idea.

"Who pays for this?" is the same answer as always; taxes and governmental support. I have often heard that reducing homelessness and crime would help balance society's bills... likely it could happen in this scenario.
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