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Michael Roberts
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The media has gone bonkers. If this somehow magically
went away, they would find SOMETHING to go after. This
stuff did not make the media go hysterical when Obama
did it. It's only because it's not their guy in the
office.
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If Obama behaved like Trump, he most certainly would have been in the news as often. It's telling that the right-wing media ran with the Birther thing for /years/, because they didn't have a lot of better things to scandalize Obama with.
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Thomas Woods
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That's what the media does, not denying the right wing
do it too.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Thomas Woods wrote:
| This stuff did not make the media go hysterical when Obama did it. |
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Give us some examples of comparable things Obama did that the media ignored.
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Thomas Woods
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Give us some examples of comparable things Obama did
that the media ignored.
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The same immigration thing was going on for a while.
Some of the photos being shown of kids in cages were
taken during the Obama years.
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Michael Roberts
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That's what the media does, not denying the right wing do it too.
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That's my point. If Obama had been pulling the same crap that Trump was pulling, Fox News would have been all over every little thing he did. But they couldn't. They had to run on Obama's birth certificate and Michelle's bare arms for years.
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Michael Roberts
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The same immigration thing was going on for a while.
Some of the photos being shown of kids in cages were
taken during the Obama years.
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No, it hasn't. The photos you refer to are of unaccompanied minors, who were older, and were in short-term detention until they could be placed with family. Yes, those facilities were shitty, and those kids could have been placed in better care.
That's still not the same thing as purposely separating very young children from their parents and throwing them in the same facilities long-term. That is unique to the Trump administration, and your whataboutism doesn't apply.
Edited by Michael Roberts on 22 June 2018 at 12:17am
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People so DESPERATE to find even a sliver of ‘bad’ in Obama...just so they can rest just a bit easier for liking Trump as much as they do.
Pathetic.
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I'm really not interested in what happened in the past being used as a justification for what is happening now.
The relevant question is: Is what is happening NOW right and proper?
Don't compare it to anything, don't bring up what has happened in the past, tell me, is what is happening NOW right and proper?
If you really think it is, wow, I do not know how to describe your moral compass.
If you think it is not, do not try to justify it by bringing up the past
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Dave Phelps
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Paul Buchanan wrote:
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Okay, that's one, even if you are splitting hairs. Yes, that particular child is with her mom, but there ARE other 2-year-old girls in federal custody as a result of the new policy.
But I'm getting lost. What's your argument here?
#1 Is the Trump Administration doing something different and separating children from their parents is simply a necessary (and I hope you would think regrettable) consequence of foreign nationals not respecting our borders? How do you feel about reports of asylum seekers ALSO being treated as criminal invaders, even though they have traditionally been treated differently since they didn't try to sneak in?
#2 Is the Trump administration really not going anything different and it's just the media making stuff up? If so, then why are Trump officials saying they ARE doing things differently now?
#3 Something else?
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Dave Phelps
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Thomas Woods wrote:
| The media has gone bonkers. If this somehow magically went away, they would find SOMETHING to go after. This stuff did not make the media go hysterical when Obama did it. It's only because it's not their guy in the office. |
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I'm sorry, but that's complete bullshit. If you want to say the "mainstream media" picks their narratives and sticks to them I can't argue with you.
Saying that The Media would turn a blind eye if Obama claimed that the opposing party "want illegal immigrants to infest our country" and made separating minor children from their parents a standard policy is being ridiculous.
I know you're happy about the individual mandate thing, but can you try defending his policies/actions on their merits for once rather than latching on to the "the only reason the media says something negative about Trump is because he's not their guy" nonsense?
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Amid the comments about the picture and what it does or does not represent, and given the fact that so much weight is put behind the father's side of the story, I think his quote to the Washington Post should merit consideration:
Varela pushed back against the portrayals of his daughter’s story, saying it should not cast doubt on the “human rights violations” taking place at the border. “This is the case for my daughter {that she is detained with her mother}, but it is not the case for 2,000 children that were separated from their parents,” Varela said. At least 2,500 migrant children have been separated from their parents at the border since May 5. Varela said he felt “proud” that his daughter has “represented the subject of immigration” and helped propel changes in policy. But he asked that Trump “put his hand on his heart.” Link |
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Story’s over guys. Trump’s saying there are no kids being separated at the border. No border stories. It’s fake news
Phew! I thought we were in a pickle there for a minute.
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