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James Johnson
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| Posted: 19 June 2018 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | 1
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President Lyndon Johnson wrote:
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
This quote describes your typical Trump supporter.
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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 19 June 2018 at 8:24pm | IP Logged | 2
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I'm truly disgusted with Trump and his administration....
This is as evil as it gets.
LET'S REMEMBER THIS IN NOVEMBER.
-C!
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 19 June 2018 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | 3
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'Zero tolerance' sounds like a bad parody of a Frank Miller comic. It figures Trump would take a hard line, and be the strong protector of an America put first, with a bunch of toddlers! First we'll deal with those mean vicious Canadians harshly, then the five year old terrorists are gonna be sorry they came here.
I'm seeing people saying they support this, and the screaming child clips is making them angrier and digging in further. Maybe a psychology expert can untangle this mess, nothing is going to 'wake up' the 'other side', they just dig their holes deeper... "it's evil"... "no, we have laws"... "but you're nazis"... "they came here"... "Jesus wouldn't do this"... "God says obey laws"...
Somebody is manipulating everyone I think. :^(
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Kevin Brown
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| Posted: 19 June 2018 at 9:22pm | IP Logged | 4
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I am nearly at a loss for words here... All I have are tears: LINK
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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 20 June 2018 at 7:56pm | IP Logged | 5
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Just read this info earlier....
"The U.S. Supreme Court has held that parents have a Constitutional right to the care and custody of their children under the Fourteenth Amendment and the right to due process if children are removed from their care. Fourteenth Amendment protections also apply to non-citizens."
What this means is that before children can removed from their parents, the government has to prove the parents were abusing or neglecting their children.
Temporary removals (detentions) are permitted while social workers investigate.
What’s happening is unconstitutional. Period.
-C!
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 20 June 2018 at 8:17pm | IP Logged | 6
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If the idea ever was that the children should not be in a jail, that seems wrong because there are women in prison in the U.S. that do have their small children with them, and it's really the small children being separated that is the problem.Trump is still blaming other people even after signing an executive order he said he couldn't before. He'll probably try to hang it all on Sessions and use that as a pretext to fire him as AG when he really wants him gone because of the Russian connections investigation.
Does the constitution apply to non-citizens? I'm not being funny or sly, I really don't know. It may well apply while someone is in the U.S. welcomed or not. Is this why they had those offshore holding places for suspected terrorists where they could waterboard, mistreat and denigrate them?
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 20 June 2018 at 8:20pm
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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 20 June 2018 at 8:39pm | IP Logged | 7
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Does the constitution apply to non-citizens?
Illegal immigrants don’t have citizenship rights (of course) but when it comes to constitutional protections from unwarranted search and seizure and self-incrimination, along with the guarantee of due process, they’re covered.
The 14th Amendment reads in part that no state “shall deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
The amendment doesn’t protect any citizen - it protects any person.
-C!
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Rebecca Jansen
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Thanks, that does clear up my uncertainty about applying to non-citizens as that's based on it saying person. Also why they had those sites to do things to persons off-shore, and presumably in their mind not within the jurisdiction of the constitution.
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Neil Lindholm
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| Posted: 20 June 2018 at 10:47pm | IP Logged | 9
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At Minnesota rally, Trump airs his grievances and demands more credit - for just about everything
People confuse me sometimes.
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 20 June 2018 at 11:18pm | IP Logged | 10
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Something to keep an eye on:
"The President says he’s signing an executive order to end family separations. The actual aim seems to be to pick a fight with the courts and allow separations to continue while blaming judges. According to The New York Times, the President will sign an executive order allowing children to be detained indefinitely with their parents. The problem is that that violates a 1997 consent decree saying that you can’t detain/imprison children for more than 20 days (technically what’s currently happening isn’t detention). It straight up violates that order. So what will almost inevitably happen is that a court will step in, say you can’t do that and then Trump will announce that the judge is forcing him to keep separating families."
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 20 June 2018 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | 11
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I'm a Minnesotan by birth. Lived there 21 years. There's a reason Trump went to Duluth and not Minneapolis/St. Paul.
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 20 June 2018 at 11:29pm | IP Logged | 12
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From the article Neil posted:
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When one young man was escorted out by authorities, Trump yelled, “Going home to his mom.” A few minutes later, when another man with long, straggly hair was led out of the arena, the president asked, gleefully, “Is that a man or a woman? I couldn’t tell. Needs a haircut.” |
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Wow. Shouldn't shock me, but it does every. single. time. This is the President of the United States. What an embarrassment.
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