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Larry Gil
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Posted: 07 August 2025 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Mid-80's is when I left the nest and moved to the big city of Toronto on my own , right about the time JB started Superman . Collected anything JB did as well as Perez , Miller and a few others . I guess at this time I started buying more DC than Marvel . 
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I think the move essentially resurrected DC. I for one couldn't really get behind much of their titles until much later with Longbow Hunters, Killing Joke, History of the Universe and the various darker Batman graphic novels.

That's the era when I got seriously into comics as a kid, loved those titles and still do. 

After that, I looked at my Secret Wars comics and they looked stupid. There was no turning back, this got imprinted into my hard drive.


But it's interesting that much of the general or casual audience now thinks of DC as the home of darker content while Marvel is the home of lighter stories. When the actual comic reading audience has generally consider it the inverse.

Yeah, that's also funny to me.

I totally get that a kid in the 60s would find classic DC comics goofy compared to the new Marvel ones.

But the exact opposite is what happened to me in the late 80s/early 90s.



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I had just bought the second FF book after JB left (#295?) and was furious.Over here, the news reached us much more difficulty back then. That book cemented the fact JB had left the FF.

Then for reasons I can't remember, my brother and I decided to buy the last Superman issue, featuring that Moore/Swan story, which must have been published at basically the same time. Probably the tag line "Last Superman" caught our eye. We kept track of Superman through the Greek reprints, but buying actual American issues was never a priority, as the art wasn't particularly to my liking.

And, amid the pages of that depressing story, I come across the ad for the MOS series! Mind Blown!!

It took some time to convince my brother to start buying the Byrne books, he was mad that Superman was a "weakling" who could no longer push planets and fly faster than light. In any case, we started reading and collecting regularly Superman #3 onwards, and it was actually a few years later that I managed to buy the first couple of Byrne issues of both Superman and Action Comics, as well as MOS and Legends LS issues! That accounts for something like 16-17 Byrne issues, which I devoured in one go!!

I stayed with both FF and Superman for years after JB left, but they were never the same. I have to admit, I still find myself secretely hoping / waiting for JB's return to either title (JB's later Action Comics issues the closest we ever came to that).

At least JB returned to the X-Men twice (Hidden Years and Elsewhen!).


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 "... features an excellent drawings of Heather in the Guardian suit and Storm with a mohawk. No contrary personal feelings evident whatsoever."
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Why would there be any issues drawing those characters?

Regarding the OHOTMU covers, I didn't read all of them, but I remember wondering if they are ever going to show us what/where all the characters are running to :)
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"... features an excellent drawings of Heather in the Guardian suit and Storm with a mohawk. No contrary personal feelings evident whatsoever.".......................

Why would there be any issues drawing those characters?

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I disliked what had been done with both characters, especially Heather.

But, contrary to views in certain parts of fandom, I play by the rules.

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Phew ..
I was afraid that I somehow missed that those weren't considered favorite characters, especially Heather. 
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I was just out of high school and starting art school. The initial reaction when I got the news at my LCS was "holy crap!" Then, I guess I'll be reading Superman now. Also remember removing FF from my pull list within a few months of JB's last issue. 
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I would probably never have purchased a new DC comic if JB hadn't done Man of Steel. At the time my "box" was at Pegasus comics in Beaverton, Oregon. They knew I was a Marvel kid, but I'd had FF for a couple years at that point.

It was right around this time that they handed me a flyer and said "Hey, we're going to start making our own comics, we'd love it if you'd add our titles to your box. I added Boris The Bear and Concrete. Their little company was Dark Horse.

Fun times.
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I stayed with both FF and Superman for years after JB left, but they were never the same.

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The FF lost a lot of momentum after JB left. Roger Stern did a good job concluding plots and guiding the title, but it wasn't the same. The next bright spot was Walt Simonson's run.

I think the Superman books kept the level of quality JB (and Wolfman and Ordway) established under Mike Carlin's guidance until he left the books, and with the creative teams he assembled from 1988 - 1996.
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Greg: "...I think the Superman books kept the level of quality JB (and Wolfman and Ordway) established under Mike Carlin's guidance until he left the books, and with the creative teams he assembled from 1988 - 1996...."

I agree! I said in the past, of that era, the Superman titles were the most consistently well-written titles of the period. 
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I suppose after John Byrne left Marvel they really didn’t have any real big name or “superstar” creators still there. 

Most people like Perez, Wolfman, Moench, Thomas and Wein had long jumped ship to D.C. The only big two I can think of still being there was Claremont and Simonson (maybe JR, Jr., but I don’t think he was at the superstar level yet).

So until 1989 when McFarlane, Lee and Liefeld came along and raised interest , JB was the last high profile creator they really had. That’s 3 years where D.C. gained a lot of ground.
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The only DC SUperman book I read was DC Comics presents and that was because I liked the guest stars and the artists (Starlin!) and also because it had the New Teen Titans preview in it!

I would have never come to Superman if it wasn't for JB.
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