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John Byrne
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I have a rule against posting anywhere but here. This includes attempting to contact some of these people. I’ve been impersonated too many times.
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ron bailey
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Wise choice. More than likely they would just double down and delight in being worthy of your ire, and report accordingly.
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Charles Valderrama
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I believe that those who CARE TO KNOW will find the truth HERE.
If they don't know this forum exists, they have no business writing about this stuff... or to be taken seriously.
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John Byrne
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Not to get myself accused of speaking ill of the dead, but a few decades back Peter David used his CBG column to “report” on the Marvel/Wolfman lawsuit in which I had been called as a witness. David was present for no part of the proceedings, so what he wrote was at best second hand. He misrepresented parts of the proceedings, most especially my participation, and I called upon writer Jeff Rovin, who had also been a witness, to offer clarification. David’s response was to say he preferred his version and intended to continue repeating it, even though he knew it was false. Truth can sometimes be a rare commodity on the world stage.
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Olav Bakken
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Yes, I remember you mentioning that the original intention was to turn a hero into a villain, if I remember correctly. But shooter decided she needed to be punished for all eternity in a cosmic prison because of all the deaths she caused, so it was decided to just kill her instead.
(Also, I remember Phoenix's powers being tested in an issue, and they were so great that someone, I think Xavier, was thinking something like: "If what I'm suspecting is correct...", but it was never mentioned what he was suspecting)
Edited by Olav Bakken on 03 July 2025 at 7:27pm
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John Byrne
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As noted earlier, even before we set out on the path toward turning her/it into a villain, Chris had been sowing seeds of a greater—and darker—force behind the Phoenix. Tossed off lines spoke to concerns by some for what Jean might become. (Still just Jean at that point.)
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Michael Penn
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In retrospect, is there maybe something George-Lucas-y about this Phoenix character, as if the "tossed off lines" had been part of a bigger plan from the get-go -- but not really?
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John Byrne
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In retrospect, is there maybe something George-Lucas-y about this Phoenix character, as if the "tossed off lines" had been part of a bigger plan from the get-go -- but not really?•• A fair assessment. Keep in mind Chris' habit of scripting MORE than was actually on the page--often contradicting what was on the page!
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Andrew Bitner
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I get the feeling there could well have been a nighttime scene, full moon and all, cars with headlights on, etc. that Mr Claremont would have scripted "...under the blazing noonday sun"...
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John Byrne
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Chris never slipped that far, that I know of, tho one writer described “an early morning dawn” before the editor cut it. Hey, I stumbled down that path myself. An early ALPHA FLIGHT script referred to a a native language as “strange to ears more familiar with speaking English.” Fortunately I caught that one myself.
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I understand and accept that, since the beginning, comicbook writers have at times just put words together because of sound more than sense. But Mr. Claremont having Phoenix call her-(it?)self "life incarnate" never failed to rub me the wrong way. We're all of us incarnate life. Nothing special on that score. (I wonder if this was a confusion akin to thinking inflammable and flammable are opposites?)
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Funny, I was just rereading X-Men 113 and 114 yesterday and yeah, there is a LOT of that "Jean's changed and her power is so strong!" said from characters from Magneto to the Beast. So it did tie-in well with the final story. I wonder if Claremont has made up his mind about Dark Phoenix by the time of issue 125 when Moira is testing Jean's abilities and is concerned.
And my god, what great writing and art in these stories, I am blown away and thoroughly engrossed every time I revisit them. I'd say it makes me feel like a kid again but no, I appreciate them as an adult.
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