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Posted: 07 December 2024 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

A problem has begun to be more prevalent, especially since ELSEWHEN.

All across the internet I see artists tracing copies of my pencils, then offering them for sale as “John Byrne art”. Which they both are and aren’t. These are pages I have never touched. No work actually by me is on them.

What’s to be done? I live in fear of a well-meaning fan asking me to sign one of them. If I was still attending cons I might consider getting another rubber stamp made. NOT MY WORK, with a space for my sig.

Grrrrr!!!

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Trevor Smith
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Posted: 08 December 2024 at 11:28am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

This I do not understand. I mean, if I want that, I have a
printer. Why would I pay someone for a direct, line by
line tracing?
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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 09 December 2024 at 9:42am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Well, that is a question I have wondered about.

For my own little comics, I draw on one sheet and trace/ink onto a new Bristol board on my light table, simply because I don't like to erase!  (And those penciled pages can get pretty smudgy.)  I keep the original pencils in notebooks, and the 11 x 17" inks on a shelf.

As I understand it, in the 60's, 70's, and before and after, original penciled pages were hand-delivered or mailed in to the offices and physically given to the inker to lay down inks on.  But, at some point, pencilers could just scan in their pencils and they would be emailed to the inkers, correct?  (They could live in different states!)

And then the inked pages would eventually be returned to the artists, a certain percentage going to the penciler and another percentage to the inker--for hoped for sale in the original art market.  I assume some on these inked pages have never been touched by a pencil.

Would the inker get ALL of the pages in this case?  Leaving the penciler the option of keeping or selling only his pencils/layouts?  Or are the inked pages sold as "original art" with both the penciler and inker's names attached?


Edited by Eric Jansen on 09 December 2024 at 9:44am
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 09 December 2024 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I don't think there's really anything proactive that you can do to prevent it, and fools and their money will definitely rush to be parted. I guess this is in a perverse way some kind of ultimate confirmation of your shadow across the medium, that there's enough demand for your work that it can make these types of efforts profitable.

Maybe just let it be known that you're willing to vet the work if someone posts it here in good faith?  It's no doubt inviting any amount of tsuris and the 'good faith' part will likely be broken on day one, but if you're concerned about your legacy and brand, it's about all you can do.
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Harry Dounis
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Posted: 09 December 2024 at 11:07pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

  Well, you could just come out of retirement and make the money yourself... 
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Jim Petersman
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Posted: 10 December 2024 at 12:21am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

How would that prevent people from copying his work and ripping off his fans?
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