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James Woodcock
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Posted: 21 December 2020 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Steven Queen

The Image guys developed their style while @ Marvel (for the most
part). They went off & formed Image.

Their style became one to emulate in the ‘90s & became known as the
image style.

That group tended to use overly complicated, lots of lines artwork.
Some people said it was better because of this - more lines = better
artwork. I thought it meant late artwork but there you go.

As they were @ Marvel - proto-image.

I can’t see this needing any further flogging to be honest.
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Steven Queen
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@James: Thank you kindly for the explanation. I was not aware of Image as an entity --- after my time I'm afraid. The industry lost my attention for the most part earlier in the decade. The changes in X-men (notably the Jim Lee era) were just too much for me.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 22 December 2020 at 7:52am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

JB: Yeah. Dog help me if they stay in my head!!!

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LOL! With as many stories and characters as you create, it would get pretty crowded in there!
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Andrew Bitner
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And yeah, Gladiator is the backbone (and big gun) of the Imperial Guard the same way Superman serves in that capacity for the Justice League. If Gladiator is on the board, beating the IG becomes a LOT more difficult.
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Eric Sofer
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Andrew, Gladiator is the backbone and big gun for the I.G. Kal-El seems similarly the anchor man of both the Justice League and the Legion of Super-Heroes. When I first saw Gladiator, I thought he was more a cognate to Mon-El - but be that as that may, as Mon-El never quite seemed to get an individual identity in the LSH save for the alternate Superboy whose weakness was much easier to find.

And I feel that the Legion and the JLA fell into the same trap as the Imperial Guard could... "Oh great scott! How can we defeat this foe?" "Hey, here comes Superboy/Mon-El/Gladiator. Okay, where was I? Oh yes... three clubs."

A team-ette from one of the big teams ideally SHOULD have been able to handle smaller threats. But badly written stories started leaning towards the Kryptonian level opponents, to make an actual threat. And that required Kal-El/Thor/Gladiator to come to the rescue.

But the LSH, JLA, IG, Avengers, etc. should NEVER need someone to come to the rescue. That's why they're the best there am!

In fact, these stories might have actually been hurt by having those big guys on the team. But those books were both promotional devices as well as comics of their own.

Look at Mr. Byrne's X-Men stories. No one hero can take the lead against, say, Ultron or the Living Pharaoh or Blastaar. Oh, possibly Phoenix, but she really didn't participate in all that many X-Men adventures. She got defeated oh-so-briefly by Magneto and by Proteus - but that was the extent of it. Everyone had to work together or they'd have crapped out.

But more importantly, no one was ever pitted against an unbeatable foe. That's a lot of what I love about Elsewhen.
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Among the many aspects of Spider-Man done right here, I'm so happy JB shows here again how he never went for that thick, ropey web nonsense.
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Mark McKay
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I wonder what the cover of this issue would be? Which of the three storylines might be chosen? Or, maybe one of those split covers showing all three, like Alpha Flight #18?
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 22 December 2020 at 9:03am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Brilliant pose for Spider-Man in that first panel. Don't think there is anyone currently in comics that can draw figures in perspective as well as you do.

I used it to find it great fun when Spider-Man would fashion things out of his webs, like nets or parachutes. That last panel evokes the fun spirit of those tales of yesteryear.
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Among the many aspects of Spider-Man done right here, I'm so happy JB shows here again how he never went for that thick, ropey web nonsense.

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It's not as if I haven't drawn the Golden-esque loopy weblines from time to time, but whenever I draw Spider-Man I always have THIS somewhere in my mind:

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If that stuff didn't disintegrate in about an hour or so, no one would ever escape from web jail!
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If that stuff didn't disintegrate in about an hour or so, no one would ever escape from web jail!

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Not to mention Manhattan would look like someone's idea of a haunted mansion!

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Posted: 22 December 2020 at 10:47am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

There was one tiny "bit" that I really liked from the first SPIDER-MAN movie that a comic book could not accurately portray - when he's swinging towards a burning building, using the arm of a street lamp to change his trajectory into a window. They used CG to move the arm ever so slightly to account for the force that he's exerting on the arm in doing so.
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