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Posted: 24 August 2025 at 6:02pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply
At the most, relagate those past stories to either "What If", "Imaginary", or "Legend" stories.

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You had me nodding in agreement until this. For the “plan” to work the break would have to be absolute and arbitrary. No whispers of the Before Time loitering around the edges.

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Was always way more interesting to see the different ways a mutant could use that single power.  Kitty’s air walking didn’t need to be a secondary mutation.  It was a creative effect of her only mutation.  
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Most superpowers imply others in conjunction. Thus flight, for example, suggests some degree of invulnerability, or one would not be able to fly very high or very fast. Invulnerability seems also a component of super strength. Not much point in being strong enough to lift a car if one’s bones break under the weight!

But those aren’t really instances of the “and” phenomenon. Like Kitty’s ability to float, they are extensions of the existing ability that make it functional.

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I hear what JB's saying and I think that this is largely the right track to take.

I do think there was something interesting about the concept of potential, occasional secondary mutations. Like there's an offshoot of Homo Superior that are evolving further than the others with additional mutations. Should all mutants have them? Heck no, but some? Sure, why not? IF it makes for interesting and compellnig stories and doesn't simply make everyone some kind of version of a limitless Ultra Boy. 
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Sub-Mariner's ankle wings are what make him a mutant, right? All of his other abilities are a result of his human/Atlantean heritage.

I'm far from an expert in this, but I didn't think regular Atlanteans had the telepathic ability to talk to sea creatures that Namor has.
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I would love to be able to gamble the future of comics on the idea of
arbitrarily returning all the super heroes back to the classic form and
getting them back into ALL ages stories easily available at random places
where people are still found. I’m not saying it’s possible, but I sure wish we
could try it and see what happens!
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You had me nodding in agreement until this. For the “plan” to work the break would have to be absolute and arbitrary. No whispers of the Before Time loitering around the edges.

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Very true. A lot of fans and pros would inevitably try to shoehorn in those "What If", "Imaginary", or "Legend" stories into being cannon. So yeah, it's best to not even use those terms when describing those past stories. If those stories are ever reprinted just make it crystal clear to everyone that those stories are no longer cannon and are not to be referred to as either "What If", "Imaginary", or "Legend" stories. I think that there needs to be a new no holds bar rule in mainstream comics that no story (no matter how popular or critically acclaimed said story might be) is exempt from being made non cannon and that at any time for any reason the publisher could decide to make a past story non cannon.
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