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Michael Roberts
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Shouldn't it at least be time to tell the two main parties to fuck off after decades of corruption, war, etc? Why keep doing the same thing again and again?
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The Republicans rejected their establishment candidates. The result is Trump.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Robbie Parry wrote:
| Shouldn't it at least be time to tell the two main parties to fuck off after decades of corruption, war, etc? Why keep doing the same thing again and again? |
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The US is structured to be a two-party system. There is no way for a third party to get a foothold on the national level.
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If you want your vote to have any meaning though, you need to vote for the candidate who comes closest to your views AND has a viable chance of winning. People focus too much on personalities in voting. The purpose of voting is to influence public policy in the direction you'd like. If you vote for someone who has no chance of winning, you are doing the opposite... making it less likely that policy you favor will be enacted.
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Steve De Young
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While I disagree with Bill Maher a lot, he was pretty on point this week. Trump's opponents are fighting the wrong fight on the wrong field of battle.
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Thomas Woods
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While I disagree with Bill Maher a lot, he was pretty
on point this week. Trump's opponents are fighting
the wrong fight on the wrong field of battle.
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Most of that was pretty good.
"We control the culture" is turning out more of a
negative than a boon. When you have Hollywood actors
who are rich and "privileged" talking down to the
peasants, music stars like Madonna and rap stars
bashing conservatives while being bad moral examples,
and comedians who make jokes about abortion (Lois C.K.
saying "abortion is most likely killing, but life
doesn't matter anyway" and then "i voted for Hillary
because she is like a mom, she gives you things."
Just makes people want to pick the other guy.
Edited by Thomas Woods on 09 June 2018 at 8:22pm
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Conrad Teves
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>>
Just makes people want to pick the other guy.<<
The immoral guy who considers himself a "star?"
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Thomas Woods
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The immoral guy who considers himself a "star?"
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More justified by seeing the other side. If you're going
to have a crook, have the crook who is on your side. I
think you will find a lot of attacks from Trump
targeting individuals or media, but I rarely if ever see
him call liberals morons, idiots, misguided, deplorable
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Edited by Thomas Woods on 12 June 2018 at 2:29pm
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Conrad Teves
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>> but I rarely if ever see
him call liberals morons, idiots, misguided, deplorable <<
Have you tried his twitter feed?
Using Twitter's search function in literally seconds I found 41 times he called someone a "moron," 30 for "idiot," 14 times he suggest someone has a low IQ (there's overlap with "idiot"), 34 times he called someone a "fool" or suggested you'd have to be one to disagree with him.
And that's just from a cursory search on Twitter. Not sure there's a way to know how often he's done it at his "rallies," etc.
Belittling people is his signature move. I'm sure he has ad hominemed pretty much any person or group he's ever disagreed with. He doesn't 'debate' as such, he makes barefaced assertions (often easily provably false) that feed on the fears of his base. HRC apologized for the "deplorable" crack. Trump doubles down when called out.
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Thomas Woods
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Have you tried his twitter feed?
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How many were individuals? I mean he rarely, if ever
labels an entire group of Americans other than the
media. If he has labeled all liberals as idiots, its a
bad move.
The kneelers are a group. But I think he doesn't go
after the average american as a whole. I have not
researched it, so maybe wrong.
Edited by Thomas Woods on 10 June 2018 at 7:34pm
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Conrad Teves
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Are you forgetting "How stupid are the people of Iowa?"
That aside, it would be a false dichotomy to suggest that any attack he's made against an individual is an isolated attack on that person, and not an attack against a group too, be it overt or thinly veiled. For example, I can't find a single instance (on Twitter) where the word "liberal" was not used by him as a pejorative in some fashion. He picks a person as a specific target, but then tars them with a group appellation that his base has been trained to hate. "Liberals" are hardly a minority or fringe group of bad people, but he presents them that way. Like there is a "muslim" problem, but christians are just dandy and have to have their rights protected:
From Twitter, Dec 10, 2015 "The United Kingdom is trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem. Everybody is wise to what is happening, very sad! Be honest."
From Twitter September 19, 2015 Christians need support in our country (and around the world), their religious liberty is at stake! Obama has been horrible, I will be great
He picks an "us" and a "them." His sort cannot exist in the absence of an enemy. He cannot be to blame for anything that goes wrong, he's never responsible, it's always someone else's fault.
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Rebecca Jansen
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It's funny, "deplorable" is such a comparatively refined term, and Justin Trudeau is pretty careful in his choice of words too, yet compare the over-the-top faux outrage to such miniscule 'slights'... and of course look how right Mrs. Clinton is... all along there were white supremacists, televangelist, pro-fascist, extreme gun and anti-regulatory types praising and very enthusiastically endorsing Trump. Facebook literally (it had people in the Trump campaign) helped them target all the 'sales points' so each would think their candidate was prioritized for their specific fixations.
Mr. Byrne is absolutely on target about Trump selling himself as an outsider. Such a joke that is really. People in the NY/NJ mostly know it. Then again look how they managed to sell Bush Jr. as down-home folks. 'Strategery' indeed!
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 11 June 2018 at 8:01am
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John Byrne
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This is a depressing thread.
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I was going to find a Tr*mp thread to lament the Supreme Court ruling today about conversion therapy as I did not want to start a new thread as I prefer comics talk but yeah., I am too down.
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