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John Peter Britton
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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 2:44am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Thanks Charlie and a nice Wolfman too!
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Sergio Aledo
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Always trying to improve in my drawing, I´ve inked a page of my favorite artist (Mr John Byrne, of course). I´ve done it only for personal use and practicing purposes, but it would be great to read some of your opinions, critics and/or anything that helps me to improve and do a better inking next time.

You can see a larger version of it at:

www.artesecuencial.com/INK-BIG.jpg

Thanks to Mr. Byrne for his beautifull and inspiring pencil-scans.



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Oscar J. Posch
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Try to work on your shadows. On the Martian Manhunter, it would be nice if some of the lines were a little more defined, if there was a little bit of weight to the lines.

Other than that, it looks terrific.  It's complimentary to JB's pencils.

What did you use to ink it?

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OK. I understand. So, more weight to the lines on characters near the camera, isn´it?

Can you tell me more about the shadows? I know there´s somethin wrong, but I can´t see what it is.

Thank you for the answer, Oscar.

For the inking I use my wacom graphire4 pen tablet A6. No paper or real ink involved.

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John Peter Britton
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Nice inking with the Wacom tablet Sergio it looks fine to me well done!
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Oscar J. Posch
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Yes, the lines should be slightly thicker for figures (or objects) near the camera, while figures away from the camera should have slightly thinner lines.

The shadows look somewhat out of place.

For instance, it almost looks like Batman has random shadows over him, especially on his mask.  Think of a light source, and then add the shadows according to where the light is coming from.  The light source should be used for the entire image, not just one figure.

 

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Ouch! Yes, of course. I forgot the light source.

I´ll keep trying.

Thanks, Oscar. 

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Sergio,

As others have noted, it's pretty good.  Line weights is really the only thing that needs to be watched.  

The line weight itself has three different functions, one as it has been mentioned, is to do with light/dark - a thicker line is the beginning of shadow (got that from Klaus Janson's book in inking, get it, it's good)  For this picture you would need to consider if the bad guy is the sole source of light, or are there others as well?  This is where is could get really complicated.  Does GL generate a light source?  If so, that would effect Batman.  There are windows there, is it day or night outside.  Does the room have any lights?  Are they electrical or natural?  Lots of things to consider so it's always best to keep it simple, and if in doubt, consult the penciler.

The second function, also mentioned, is to separate the different planes (back, mid and foreground)  A good way to work through this is to start at the back and work forward.  Until you're really confident and know what you're doing, if you start at the front (which most people do as it's most exciting part and you want to get to it straight away) then you might find that you've reached a certain point where you can't go thinner, (remember that ultimately this piece would be for reproduction so that needs to be taken into consideration.  Too thin and the lines would break up, or merge when printed) and it would mean that you either have the same line weight, or you have to go over what's already been done.   Potentially this picture could have five different planes, one for each character (if GL is at a different distance from us as Batman) and the background.  But keeping it simple is always best, so I would put them on the same plane.

The third thing is that it adds mass and weight to what's being drawn.  If you think about it, the little finger is not as big as the bicep, so why would they have the same line thickness?  This is the same for hair, cloth, fur, whatever.  Using JB for example, look at the Demon commission (in the commissions section) that he did early last year.  See how the thickness of the lines gives you a sense that the muscles are not only pretty big, but they're solid as well.  A lot of his Wolverine pics are a good example of that.  These people look mean and solid.  Notice how one line can go from thin to extremely thick in one swish, again this adds to the feeling of mass.  Having a contrast between thick and thin lines also helps with the dynamics of the art as well, keeps the drawing alive.  

Using Adam Hughes/Alfonse Mucha as an example notice how there are thick outlines, and then thin lines inside.  But within this, there are a variety of lines.  Adam Hughes is very good at this, but notice how all his pictures look still?  If he varied the lines up a bit more, the images would have a lot more dynamics, but still keep that slickness.  Like Alan Davis.

Hope this has been helpful, and not coming off like a lecture.   It's just that inking isn't a easy to sum up.

One thing I would advise though, is to practise a lot with the tools in real life, even if you only want to work digitally, at least that way you can get a feel for how they're supposed to react in the real world and it can help you get better at this.  It will help you get that smoothness and fluidity that all the really good inkers have.  (even the rough looking ones)  Brian Bolland and Dave Gibbons now pretty much work digitally, but their stuff wouldn't look as good if they couldn't've done it in the real world.  Take a look at Killing Joke, if you haven't already, that was inked 100% with a brush.  I find that depressing and inspiring at the same time.

Look forward to seeing some more.
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My latest, Spidey versus Carnage, as requested by my four-year old son - added the Venom in for good measure.
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And here's my son posing with the above piece.
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Sergio Aledo
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Posted: 23 February 2010 at 8:47am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Thanks, Chris.

As I read your advice, I can see myself making exactly some of the mistakes you describe. It´s been very helpful.

I´m already looking for the Klaus Janson´s book.

By the way, I´ve got to draws of Alphonse Mucha at the wall of my bedroom.  I bought them at the main Mucha Museum at Praga. I love Mucha´s work, but, as seen, not studied him enough.

 

 

 

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 JPB wrote:
Nice inking with the Wacom tablet Sergio it looks fine to me well done!

Me too. Not to say you shouldn't heed the advice given, but it looks pretty slick.
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