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David Miller
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Posted: 27 November 2024 at 1:18am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

 Brian Miller wrote:
Tweed’s Tammany Hall will have nothing on this second Trump term. There will be corruption and crime the likes of which have heretofore never been seen.


The FIRST Trump term already had corruption and crime the likes of which have heretofore never been seen!

Edited by David Miller on 27 November 2024 at 1:19am
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Posted: 27 November 2024 at 1:25am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

That was the beta term
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 10 January 2025 at 3:30pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Trump was sentenced today in his criminal hush money case... NO jail time, fines or other punishments. NO SURPRISE.

It's official - he will be the first convicted felon in the White House.

Not that many Americans care about such things.

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Posted: 10 January 2025 at 4:30pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

About half.
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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 10 January 2025 at 9:20pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I NEVER want to hear another person seriously say that "nobody is above the law." That has bern proven so utterly untrue, particularly in this past year,  that it's frankly an insult to hear someone say it with a straight face.
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Posted: 10 January 2025 at 9:25pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

(Not directed at you, Matt, but this did immediately come to mind):

  • Michael My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.

    Kay Adams Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.

    Michael Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?

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John Wickett
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Posted: 10 January 2025 at 10:52pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

"Not that many Americans care about such things."

I think its more accurate that many Americans are ill informed and naive about these things.  Network news viewership continues to plummet and trust in the media is at an all time low.

A 2023 Hoover Institution survey found that 79% of Americans believe "No one is above the law" but only 28% follow politics and public affairs very closely, and only 21% said they considered themselves to be very well informed.  

Survey here: https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/research/docs/Hoo verYouGov%20Survey%20Topline%20Results_0.pdf

The impact?  Trump was impeached but not removed from office or barred from running again, so many people think the entire impeachment issue was "just politics" or that he must not have done anything bad enough to warrant being removed.

Likewise, many people don't take the criminal cases seriously because there is mixed reporting, and at the end of the day no consequences.

But I don't completely disagree with you.  In general, I think people have become more distrusting of the government, and more apt to believe it is corrupt.  In that respect, even if they see the problems with Trump, they feel he is no different from other political leaders.  So Trump benefits from cynicism about the government.  

 
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Part of the problem is the human tendency to trust what another tells you rather than appraise whether the available evidence tallies with what you're being told. This works well as a short-cut if the person doing the telling is reliable. Not so much when they are a manipulator or liar.

Trump says the cases against him are a witch hunt and the justice system has been weaponised against him. The evidence is that a jury found him guilty of this felony offence and the justice system has given him no punishment. Unfortunately, too may just take the mental short cut of listening to Trump and pay little heed to the actual evidence.
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The legal theory that the NY Prosecutor used will never hold up to judicial review outside of a very partisan New York. The other prosecutions were similarly spurious applications of law.

No fair-thinking person should think that the lawfare is a good thing. It's banana republic shite. It wasted a lot of time/money and all it did was help Trump get reelected.
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Casey Sager
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Posted: 11 January 2025 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

So obstruction of justice is a "spurious application of the law"? His own people flipping on him in the two federal cases and the Georgia case is "lawfare"?

I'm shocked if you're not a diabetic after drinking all that Kool-Aid.
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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 4:15pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Making the rounds now... Trump would've been convicted for 2020 election interference if he had not been elected, according to report by special counsel Jack Smith.

Regardless, we will have a criminal in the White House come next week.

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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Trumf has long espoused the notion that getting away with it is the same thing as being innocent. And with the spineless toadies that compose much of the Republican Party, plus the narrow minded, selfish idiots who make up half the voters in this country, he might as well be right.
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