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Fred J Chamberlain Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4049
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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 1:23am | IP Logged | 1
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Some of this can be attributed to desperation from falling sales and changes in demographics. Publishers chase sales. Sadly, that often leads to repetition and trying to recapture lightening, rather than staying true to core values of the original books. Many will tell you that number 1 issues sell. What they don’t realize is that they lose readers every time and those readers aren’t being replaced.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133754
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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 1:44am | IP Logged | 2
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How is it that the comic book industry made it from the late 1930s to the mid 1980s with, essentially, only one reboot: reimagining some Golden Age heroes for the Silver Age, during the late 1950s / early 1960s?••• In part, blame the diminishing professionalism brought on by the steadily increasing number of fans flowing into the Biz. Fans who, unlike the generation which preceded them, were not prepared to leave their fan-think at the door. Stan Lee said to never give the fans what they THINK they want. But for these newcomers it was all about giving themselves what they wanted.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7914
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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 5:12am | IP Logged | 3
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In some ways, I blame collections, or ‘volumes’. Writers seem to come on with a specific set up, or a specific story, & once that is done, bugger off. Whether their specific story fits the character @ that time seems immaterial - they will mould the character to fit the story. So we get a reboot.
Look @ X-Men. Those characters now live by eras. Spider-Man seems to change status quo every two years or so Iron Man gets a new series every time a new writer comes along with a new status quo. DC? They just do wholesale reboots to try to fix the mess of the last reboot. Been doing so since the 80s
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Cameron Davies Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 13 January 2025 Location: United States Posts: 2
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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 12:18pm | IP Logged | 4
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Sue Storm!
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 April 2005 Location: United States Posts: 18156
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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 6:02pm | IP Logged | 5
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Late to the party. Everyone who said "Wolverine" pretty much left me with nothing but ditto. Same for Superman, although I will mention that the idea that Clark Kent had a secret identity is just the right approach that no one else made stand out for me before.
And Namor? I thought he was just an a-hole for years. I wouldn't read an issue if he was in it! But when Namor came out, I was hooked and the comic became a big favorite. The idea that he was between worlds, that he had an intractable grudge against us surface-dwellers - it was all there, from his very first appearance, but it took John Byrne to distill it into something dummy me could appreciate. The half-naked jerk who liked to shout "Imperius Rex!" all the time became the noble, tragic hero that I couldn't see before.
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 December 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3524
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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 8:41pm | IP Logged | 6
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JB is one of those rare talents who has given fairly definitive takes on multiple characters. It’s tough to say which is the definitive definitive (as it were), but I’m inclined to go with Wonder Man. Beyond the WCA arc being a defining take and central to the overall run, but actually justifying the presence of a character who was pretty much just kind of ‘there’ under any other hands.
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Rick Senger Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 9717
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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | 7
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I only read the pre-JB Wolverine issues years after JB's X-Men run but that character seemed pretty one note until JB came along. Whether that was all JB or a true collaboration with Chris Claremont is up for debate (I quite liked Claremont and Miller's WOLVERINE for instance) but for me Wolverine seems the obvious choice. A character who came to be (for a time) as big as any in the Marvel universe and still casts quite a shadow which really wasn't there before JB.
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Richard Stevens Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1958
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Posted: 14 January 2025 at 8:55pm | IP Logged | 8
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Wonder Man is a great choice.
I would add Jahf in Elsewhen. A chill little powerhouse who we see both as a mindless engine of destruction, and as a very cool and thoughtful houseguest at the X-Mansion. A lot of depth you wouldn't expect from a random space hero.
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 17708
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Posted: 15 January 2025 at 2:42am | IP Logged | 9
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I quickly took a liking to Sub-Mariner the first time I encountered him, but JB’s NAMOR run made me like him even more.
I WISH JB had done more with the Monster Hunters! That little taste he gave us in M:TLG was enough to whet my appetite.
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 January 2025 at 2:58am | IP Logged | 10
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Just the fact that people barely call Namor "The Sub-Mariner" anymore can be "blamed" on JB.
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ron bailey Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 October 2016 Location: United States Posts: 1125
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Posted: 15 January 2025 at 3:28am | IP Logged | 11
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Who came up with the notion that, as a hybrid of Atlantean and Human, Namor's occasional rages were the result of an imbalance of staying too long on the surface?
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 January 2025 at 5:33am | IP Logged | 12
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I don't think I saw his name yet: Mister Fantastic himself, Reed Richards.
JB's entire run was a master class on channeling Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. In particular I don't think anyone has captured Reed's voice quite so well. JB gave him this perfect balance of authority, impatience, paternalism, kindness, occasional absent-mindless.
I'm hardly up on all the later characterizations, but aside from Walt Simonson's, the ones I've read mostly played up Reed as a weirdo. And Reed's not a weird.
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