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Jim Burdo
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Not so much undone as used to have him one-shotted by anyone who can shake his confidence, like Cannonball.
Edited by Jim Burdo on 07 March 2024 at 7:45am
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Ben Stamer
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My work on Gladiator was undone, wasn’t it?
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The only change I can recall happening with the character was Jason Aaron giving him a teenage son, who was sent to the school because he was causing trouble.
Edited by Ben Stamer on 07 March 2024 at 10:49pm
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John Byrne
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Teenage son. About time for Gladiator himself to be declared TOO OLD!
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Charles Valderrama
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Jeez, Marvel ideas these days consist only on aging characters who then get replaced by their children... or some young person who isn't ready to take up their mantle.
-C!
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Peter Martin
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Realism demands the teenage son now becomes an adult and fully takes up the Gladiator mantle (Gladiator can become Secutor), at which point we then need another teenage Gladiator.
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Ben Stamer
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or some young person who isn't ready to take up their mantle.
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Turning every character's codename into a mantle is just tedious.
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Jonathan A. Dowdell
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As a kid I loved Mr. Byrne's work on X-Men and the "energy" and substance he gave Wolverine.
The FF is my favorite Byrne comic.
But to me Mr. Byrne's greatest "extrapolation" was Superman AND keeping Jonathan and Martha alive!
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Mark Haslett
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I think the art in the big post-Phoenix death, X-Men history issue with Cyclops retelling everything the X-Men went through has a plethora of visual JB "extrapolation".
As a kid, I poured over that issue assuming that every story that was alluded to in JB's art would be as cool as it seemed in JB's micro-retelling.
...Not quite, it turned out when I finally got many of those back issues.
But, for example, JB's version of Mimic looked awesome. It has been noted that JB has a talent for making other people's designs look good. That is, I guess, a kind of extrapolation that I really enjoy.
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Rebecca Jansen
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That issue fascinated me too (#138), a redrawing of the comic from the beginning the earliest ones I'd been following via the Amazing Adventures reprints at the same time (and there were a couple new Byrne covers for those, #6 and #9). I really wanted to see more Ka-Zar, preferably as by Byrne, after that glimpse so was primed to grab a rebooted Ka-Zar comic not too long after when it started which I might have written off as just some barbarian thing (never into Conan and similar).
Also they showed old covers on the front as background and the first back issue older than a year I bought was one of those... I wanted to read The Death Of Professor X issue (#42)... pretty disappointing unfortunately, the Frank Zappa ad in the same issue was almost the most entertaining thing about it!
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Brian Rhodes
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It was a curious dichotomy, I thought, that some readers would invest so much in the characters, fully embracing them as if they were living, breathing human beings, and yet, when something bad happened to them, knowing who to blame!
Kathy Bates has an Oscar on her shelf thanks, in part, to such a notion.
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John Byrne
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As a kid, I poured over that issue assuming that every story that was alluded to in JB's art would be as cool as it seemed in JB's micro-retelling....Not quite, it turned out when I finally got many of those back issues. ••• When Roger Stern joined the editorial team at Marvel he would often tell me about upcoming stories. He made everything sound exciting, but the published comics often fell short.
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My work on Gladiator was undone, wasn’t it?........
I loved that story, but I always considered it an "audition" for how The Big Guy's powers should be handled/explained, and Gladiator was just a placeholder for doing so.
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