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John Byrne
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Uncanny X-Men Annual #11 (1987) opened with Wolverine walking back to the X-mansion, drunk. Chris Claremont and Alan Davis.•• Ah, well, I was long gone!
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Andrew Bitner
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You know, I don't think there's been much that connected the blue-furred Beast to the big kid in the X-Men. Some people probably know but the public at large might not be too familiar.
I guess I'd compare it to a TV show from a couple of years ago, suddenly someone shows up in a different show with a different face... but the same name. It... might be the same person?
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John Byrne
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I still think the blue Beast was a mistake. Fun to draw, even fun to write, but we lost the real Hank--especially once the decision was made for him to deliberately change his personality!!
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Amazing page today!
The kids are a great addition to the cast. (Alterna-Hank would not agree.)
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I still think the blue Beast was a mistake. ..--------------------------------------------------------
Was there ever the thought at any level in Marvel or during your time on the book to turn him back?
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Ah, the ELSEWHEN experiment finally makes sense. It's all to introduce the spinoff JAHF & THE NEW MUTANTS!
I'm in!!
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John Byrne
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I still think the blue Beast was a mistake. ..-------------------------------------------------------- Was there ever the thought at any level in Marvel or during your time on the book to turn him back? •• He was turned back, briefly, in X-FACTOR. Unfortunately, he'd been blue and furry longer than he'd been otherwise, so the fans saw the change as unwelcome.
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JB: I still think the blue Beast was a mistake. Fun to draw, even fun to write, but we lost the real Hank--especially once the decision was made for him to deliberately change his personality!!
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I never knew the non-furry Beast until well after I'd become familiar with the "new edition." Having had a chance to compare the two, I'm in agreement-- it might have been better to create a new character. I suppose they were thinking "Well, we got this guy sitting around from a defunct book, doing nothing--why don't we just slap some fur on him?"
Not a great creative decision but if they weren't going to revive the X-Men, maybe it makes some sense. But I also don't get why his personality changed so much either. Seriously- new character!
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John Byrne
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Ah, the ELSEWHEN experiment finally makes sense. It's all to introduce the spinoff JAHF & THE NEW MUTANTS!•• Dagnabbit, I thought I'd hidden those clues!!
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ITEM: I recall no association between blue Hank and "shorn" Hank. But then, I dunno if there was a common knowledge that Ben Grimm really was the Thing. And for a long time, Bruce Banner and the Hulk were believed to be separate. I would speculate that two heroes called the Beast with the same powers might be readily identifiable... but not broadcast as common knowledge.
ITEM: Hank WAS changed back during the run of X-Factor... whereupon they made him even super stronger and turned him into a retard (please pardon the word, but it's just perfectly descriptive to me.) Bad choice upon bad choice...
ITEM: The M-Man Beast seems to be cultured and polite - but still beastly. Mr. Byrne, you are the BEST! And in response, Hank will slip on his claws... with Wolverine riiight there... :D :D :D
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John Byrne wrote:
| And like Alexander. . . . . |
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Perhaps alt-Magneto and crew started this trip desirous like that Alexander* ... but it's turning into the "the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day" of his kid-lit namesake.
| | *I had to look up that very apt quote -- "other worlds" indeed! One thing I've always loved about following JB and his work is that I'm constantly learning new things. |
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John, shame on me if I should know this or if I forgot,
but were you approached or considered for X-Factor when
it was first released? Were you interested? What were
you thoughts, if you can recall or share?
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