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Eric Kleefeld
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I find Wikipedia to be useful if I want to find out some background info on
different comic characters or TV shows. In other words, it's very good when
it comes to fiction.
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Jean-Baptiste Soufron
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There are possibilities to get some help when confronted to this kind
of problems on Wikipedia, first of all you can try ton contact admins
or arbitration commitees.
And in the end, you can also try to contact the wikipedia legal people at juriwiki-l :
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Juriwiki_mailing_list
juriwiki-l@wikimedia.org
Thanks,
Jean-Baptiste Soufron
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Eric Kleefeld
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The idea of an open-source encyclopedia is just one aspect of an overall
infection of epistemic relativism in our culture, which has affected both
right and left.
This really occurred to me when I was in a bookstore and saw a big fat
hardcover with an American Flag on the cover, entitled A Patriot's
History of the United States, apparently a response to the title of leftist
academic Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States. The
flap on the dustcover explained that modern history is rife with bias,
focusing on A instead of B. It aimed to "correct" that bias by focusing
more on B instead of A. In other words, it claimed to correct bias by
focusing on a modern conservative view of American virtue; this is, I think
it should be obvious, its own brand of bias.
Personally, I have no interest reading A Patriot's History of the United
States, nor A People's History. There shouldn't be opinion in the
reporting of historical facts, at least as far as an overview of a whole
nation's past is concerned. It should be about what events happened and
what their causes were. I concede some imperfection in even the most
dispassionate pursuit, but can someone out there maybe try to write a
plain old History of the United States?
Edited by Eric Kleefeld on 25 September 2005 at 4:55pm
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Jean-Baptiste Soufron
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Ah-ah : your example is just a too simple analogy.
The main point of all of this is much more about the greater efficiency
of the network model vs the pyramid model. That was described with
great details by Hayek, Popper or Polyani.
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Mary Ives
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<It should be about what events happened and
what their causes were. I concede some imperfection in even the most
dispassionate pursuit, but can someone out there maybe try to write a
plain old History of the United States?>
Amen. Or...um...Yes
BTW, I used Wiki for my term paper, but merely to define a couple of
terms and definitions, nothing in terms of actual research - more to
narrow down my interests and give me ideas where to formally research
topics.
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Rob Hewitt
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What Darragh said -- ethics are personal, morals are imposed.
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Tell that to the New York State Bar. (or American Bar Association).
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James C. Taylor
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Help me out with the Wiki article, specifically the Art Style section added when I wasn't looking. I'm not digging it and I could use some back up if you don't either.
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Joe Mayer
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There shouldn't be opinion in the
reporting of historical facts, at least as far as an overview of a whole
nation's past is concerned. It should be about what events happened and
what their causes were.
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The problem with this is that most of the time, causes are subject to opinion since there are always so many external factors and limiting to a couple is nearly impossible.
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Darragh Greene
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Narrative history in the grand old tradition of Herodotus is making a comeback; witness the success of and accolades accorded to Tom Holland's Rubicon, for instance, which was avowedly about telling a story rather than merely listing historical facts. That said, Holland's story is built on facts; it's just the particular disposition of those facts that owes to his unique authorial perspective.
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John Mietus
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I've not read any Tom Holland, but if I understand you correctly, Darragh, it
sounds like James Burke is very similar in his approach.
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James C. Taylor
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I've decided I am going to take my baseball and go home, and in the process write off Wikipedia.
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Darragh Greene
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John, are you talking about James Lee Burke? Because his crime novels
don't seem to fit what you're saying.
Well, if you haven't read Tom Holland yet, I suggest you get cracking!
Rubicon is his first book, and it relates in bravura fashion the
downfall of the Roman Republic; Persian Fire is his second and most
recent book, and it offers a tour de force retelling of the origins of
the Persian Empire, the first world empire, and its battles against Athens,
Sparta and the rest of Greece for the West. Read them both.
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