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Todd Hembrough
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Mig De Silva wrote:
...lots of inflammatory stuff
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Excellent post Mig, I think you have done a good job capturing the underlying mindset of the wikipedia.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Welcome to the JBF Tom.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 20 September 2005 at 8:01am
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Tom Melly
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Tnx all - hope I last... (I belong to "I preferred JB when he just drew stuff" section of the JB fan club ;)
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Felipe Arambarri
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Welcome Tom, good point
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Jason Fulton
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"I preferred JB when he just drew stuff"
So, just the Charlton stuff, and Iron Fist?
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Joe Zhang
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Tom, the problem with the Wiki entry as I see it is the unlimited length and
trivial focii of the "original" article obfuscates why JB is a notable
comics creator. By burying his story with details such as "he left this
book because of this, and said that about so and so" the casual reader
would get the idea that he is important as an example of poor professionalism. And that certainly seemed to be the agenda and
implementation one particular editor was pushing. Several of us tried
to do something about it, but Wiki overruled us, favoring an article of
unlimited scope. Also when we tried to add more context to a subject to
offset an editorial view, we were opposed with no back up from
Wikipedia. For example one guy was trying to make a big deal that JB
has a public distaste for Jim Shooter. I tried to add that a great many of
Shooter's former employees felt the same way, but others on Wiki refused to
allow that addition.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 20 September 2005 at 8:19am
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Joe Zhang
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Tnx all - hope I last... (I belong to "I preferred JB when he just drew stuff" section of the JB fan club ;)"
Have you seen his new work on Action comics then?
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Tom Melly
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"So, just the Charlton stuff, and Iron Fist?"
Heh - I'm presumably running into some kind of sh*tstorm by thinking that categorisation included his run on the X-Men with CC?
<going back in time>
Those X-Men were so great, and then all us comic fans got really exited
when we learned that he was going to be writing his own stuff. "Now,
we'll really see something". And... well it was just a slow
anti-climax. The FF stuff was okay(ish), but Alpha Flight really left
me cold. I dunno. It's a bit like my feelings about Tim Burton as a
director</going back in time>
Edited by Tom Melly on 20 September 2005 at 8:54am
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Tom Melly
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I know what you mean Joe - the entry was far too long and unstructured for
one thing - but, to take another comic-based example, would an entry on
Alan Moore be satisfactory if it didn't include references to his
disputes?
Edited by Tom Melly on 20 September 2005 at 8:53am
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James C. Taylor
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Tom Melly wrote:
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Yes. I'll even go so far as to say that an article about Grant Morrison would be complete without disputes.
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Satisfactory perhaps, complete not
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Joe Zhang
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"
I know what you mean Joe - the entry was far too long and unstructured for
one thing - but, to take another comic-based example, would an entry on
Alan Moore be satisfactory if it didn't include references to his
disputes?
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Well thanks for understanding.
I agree with a discussion of Byrne's editorial or creative disputes,
sampling one or two events from his career. But what they were trying to do
was to catalog every incident that has ever surfaced as a rumor among
fans. Even if written in Wikipedia's "NPOV" style, the resulting
article paints a picture of an unusually combative creator.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 20 September 2005 at 9:13am
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