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Chris Hutton
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Joe Zhang, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!
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 Mike Tishman wrote:

Mass participatory media run by amateurs is what the future looks like.



Then woe betides the future.
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Francis Grey
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That is good.  Real crap mined from Wiki?  Shouldn't be surprised that certain posters achieve some notoriety like Bztekach etc.
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Mike Tishman
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 Matt Reed wrote:
Then woe betides the future.


We'll send you a post card at the old age home.
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Once upon a time, it was deemed that History is written by the winners, it seems Mr. Tishman envisions a future where History is written by the whiners.  "It doesn't matter if it's TRUE, you're entitled to your own personal reality" -- feh.  In time, the experiment will fail, passing to the wayside as a fad, and something sane will come over the horizon -- do-it-yourself Media is doomed to fail, even if there is a degree of self-gratifiacation as people feel they are important as they temporarily make their opinion "Fact" just by typing it.

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Jason Fulton
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Will the 'fact whiners' be able to pay for the old folks home after they've had their pants sued off? Calling someone a sex offender seems to be 'raising the bar' on trolling.
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John W Leys
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For an overview of "who this crap serves," read this article from Wired

I think this section from that article sums up my feelings on the subject:

"Should we trust an encyclopedia that allows anyone with a pulse and a mousepad to opine about Jackson Pollock's place in postmodernism? What's more, the software that made Wikipedia so easy to build also makes it easy to manipulate and deface. A former editor at the venerable Encyclopædia Britannica recently likened the site to a public rest room: You never know who used it last."
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I'm just now reading this thread for the first time, and I'm...aghast and appalled. The depth to which some people will sink...and for what? It's completely absurd and ridiculous. They (or he or she) don't like JB's comics, so they call him a sex offender...on an encyclopedic database...have mercy.

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Roger A Ott II
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Mike Tishman: Mass participatory media run by amateurs is what the future looks like.

Is that really a good idea, though?  Honestly, I'm not going to trust the guy that sometimes tinkers around with car engines to fix my car when something goes wrong.  I want someone that certifiably knows what they're doing.

And if I'm needing information about underwater basket-weaving, I damn well want to know that the information is accurate.  I don't see how that's possible in mass participatory media run by amateurs.

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Thomas Moudry
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When my students are working on their research papers, I always tell them to be cautious about what they find on the Internet. Of course, there's lots of good, helpful stuff out there, but "Billy Bob's Hemingway Whiz-Bang" may not be the best place to go for legitimate material.

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Mike Tishman
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 Roger A Ott II wrote:
And if I'm needing information about underwater basket-weaving, I damn well want to know that the information is accurate.  I don't see how that's possible in mass participatory media run by amateurs.


A lot of amateurs and hobbyists actually have a level of knowledge comparable to that of professionals. Einstein was an amateur in 1905, for God's sake, but on a less lofty level there are many, many fields which are driven by people who do other things for a living.

Comics, incidentally, are one of those fields. How many of today's most successful creators started with indie books on which they made peanuts, certainly not enough to live on? Virtually all the work of archiving and developing the history and art criticism of the medium has been done by enthusiastic amateurs.


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Everyone starts everything as an amateur. Most hope to exceed that level of competence before too long.
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