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John J. Woods
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Mike Tishman Wrote:
"This site has been infinitely disappointing."
So why wait until now to begin your martyrdom?
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Todd Hembrough
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Wow, Mike T, that is quite a crash landing!! Hope you come out of it ok.
I think that this is an idiotic debate (though one that I am party
to). An encyclopedia can contain opinion, and supposition, it
simply must be attributed to a person with the standing necessary to
render their opinion valuable.
In a Jefferson entry, one could quote Aaron Burr's writing to support
the fact that Thomas J. was not universally loved....."In fact Aaron
Burr once wrote " That Jefferson is such a dandy, he thinks he is
French". Though he probably said something much worse.
Opinion sure, but also appropriate for inclusion in an encyclopedia or a biography.
Here we have unattributed attacks, and that is inappropriate. It
would also be inappropriate for Wikipedia to quote me on Captain
Fonebone, just as the average microbrain Byrne haters opinion is
irrelevent.
Now, if Shooter, or Claremont, or a peer of JB's were to say something,
with proper attribution, that would be 'information' that could be
relevent, assuming it was put in the appropriate context. And if
the conclusion was that JB was not universally loved, then so be it.
For the rest of us civilians, it is jsut a god complex that you can go to his page, adn write whatever you want.
Edited by Todd Hembrough on 16 September 2005 at 8:22am
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James C. Taylor
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Todd Hembrough wrote:
| Wow, Mike T, that is quite a crash landing!! Hope you come out of it ok. |
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That made me smile.
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Todd Hembrough
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Another point about Wiki's.
They may be inherently doomed to fail. the LA times tried a Wiki
experiment where people could edit their editorials. It lasted a
day or two because 2 camps formed with diametrically opposed opinions
(lets call them Left adn Right). It turned into a shit-storm, and
then was shut off altogether.
The same thing may happen constantly for the more controversial Wikipedia listings, like for Reagan, or GWBush, or Clinton, etc.
I suspect that it is a model that cannot work, as it relies on the
maturity of the audience to succeed. One, or a handful, of malicious
folks can mess it up quite well, as we have seen with the slanderous
version of JB's entry.
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Todd Hembrough
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James Taylor:
Todd Hembrough wrote:
| Wow, Mike T, that is quite a crash landing!! Hope you come out of it ok. |
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That made me smile.
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Looked like you needed it!!
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Ian Evans
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Dammit Todd you took the words right out of my keyboard! OF COURSE encyclopedias contain opinion - any entry on an artist or author that does not contain an assessment of their cultural legacy and impact would be a disappointing and limited one to my mind - but as you said, that opinion is completely valueless if rendered by John Q Clueless.
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Todd Hembrough
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Ian,
It is even more true, as you note, when you speak about the cultural or artistic legacy of artist, writers, actors etc.
All analysis of those are inherently opinion. You just hope that the writer is educated enough to render a just analysis.
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Jason Fulton
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Lewis Himelhoch
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Todd Hembrough
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In this vignette, who is the windmill and who is Don Quixote? (Which I have pronounced as Quicks-ote since I was a kid!!!)
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James C. Taylor
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I always thought it was about a donkey named Hoatee.
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Todd Hembrough
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Nice one James!
It reminds of the book about Olive the beagle who thought that she was
the "other raindeer" and had to get to the north pole to help
Santa! Cute kids book
"Olive, the other raindeer, used to laugh an call him names...."
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