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James C. Taylor
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Posted: 15 September 2005 at 2:26pm | IP Logged | 1  

Four guidelines to US fair use, courtesy of the US Copyright Office:

 US Copyright Office wrote:
1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. The nature of the copyrighted work;
3. [The] amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

By this Wikipedia could possibly be seen as fair use.
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Jeremy Nichols
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Yeah, I see your point, completely. And, because I like seeing
the covers, art, etc. you guys post, I choose to agree with that
interpretation.

However... Marvel lawyers probably could look at #4 and go
"It's Sue Time!"

Or another way to say it might be that any artist who was
considering a libelous case against any open-source website
could see libelous comments in conjunction with use #4 above
as damaging to their copyrights, were they to hold any, in the
images listed on said website...

Edited by Jeremy Nichols on 15 September 2005 at 2:42pm
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Jacob P Secrest
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According to a guy who has (or had) an Iron Man website, Marvel decided
to back off fan sites realizing it's not in their best interest to force them
under specific guidelines (such as what pictures they can post), so as long
as their isn't an entire comic being posted, page by page, I don't think
there will be much trouble.
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Absolutely. This rumor stuff, how/why JB ever left a book, stuff about what's been said on this forum, who cares about that outside the usual message boards? Maybe wikipedia is a good thing, but this taints it horribly.

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Dave, I agree with you that "rumors" and "opinions" can easily taint any system.  I would love to hear anyone suggest any "untainted" system out there, because I am racking mybrain trying to come up with one at the moment.

The problem is that there are people out there that love rumors and gossip.  We have magazines, TV programs, heck even TV channels, that are dedicated to sharing current rumors in the entertainment and sports industries.  Unfortunately, comics are just another form of entertainment and hearing about why JB left a book is just as interesting to some people as how Britney Spears stole a man from a pregnant mother in order to marry him and give birth to his child (as of yesterday).  Because JB is a celebrity, intentional or not, he is just as much open to speculative reports.  It is that seedy portion of all reporting that while many of us vocally dispise, there is a majority that sucks its blood from like the leeches that they are.  It may be distasteful, but a lack of taste is not a crime.

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 Snapdragon wrote:
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What part of "serious problems" and "if the matter warrants it" are you having trouble with?



What part of "I am willing to help you with this problem if you just tell me what specific problem you have" are you having trouble with?

When did I ever ask you for anything? You really can't read, can you? And you're an editor, I understand?

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Dave Pruitt
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Joe, I know that, and that's what feeds the usual message boards I mentioned. The point is, that Wikipedia is supposed to be above that sort of thing, isn't it? It aspires to be a research tool, or an encycolpedia of sorts, right? I admit I don't know that much about it. It's not supposed to be as common as any blog, or message board, is it?
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Jacob P Secrest
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Well it's back, and it's locked again, ugghhh.
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Steve Horton
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The Internet needs an editor. I nominate myself. My first duty will be to give myself a hefty pay raise.

 

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My first duty will be to give myself a hefty pay raise.
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And with this act it could be that you are well on your way to a successful career in politics...
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Yay for someone getting the joke! :)
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Jacob P Secrest
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Jason Czeskleba
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 david uzmeri wrote:
What's wrong with this, for instance?


One of the main problems I've seen in versions of the Byrne article are attempts to insert review/editorializing under the guise of fact.   The portion you quoted has one such instance, which although it happens to be a positive comment, is still an opinion rather than a fact:
"a stint on the Fantastic Four that is considered by some to be second only to Lee and Kirby's run."

It strikes me that an encyclopedia article should be devoid of any editorializing or critical reviewing, either positive or negative.  In the version currently up there, comments like "The pairing of Claremont and Byrne on the X-Men is considered both critically and popularly to be one of the high points, if not the defining run of the series" AND "some fans voiced dislike of his treatment of plots that had been introduced by writers other than the character's creators" should both be deleted for that reason.




Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 15 September 2005 at 8:12pm
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