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James Johnson
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THE PROSECUTOR vs THE FELON. 🥊🥊🥊🥊
Beat his ass, Kamala!!!!!!!
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Casey Sager
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I believe it's a mistake to annoint Harris as the defacto leader. I'm all for an open convention, have a debate with the best 5-6 candidates and let the delagates choose.
If it ends up being Harris, so be it, then she'll have actually earned it.
As an aside, I will vote for whoever is at the top of the ticket, I just want a little semblance of democracy.
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Brian Miller
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If it ends up being Harris, so be it, then she'll have actually earned it.
As an aside, I will vote for whoever is at the top of the ticket, I just want a
little semblance of democracy.
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How do you figure she hasn’t earned it? Why do you think it’s not
democratic. She was voted in as Biden’s VP. So, she has been elected, then
nominated as his VP. Which is to say if something happens to POTUS, she
would take over. This has been decided on by the electorate and in
primaries. So, if she’s good enough to become POTUS in the event of an
emergency, why is she not good enough to become the nominee in this
extraordinary fashion?
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Casey Sager
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No, she was not elected. Joe Biden won the nomination for 2020 and selected harris to be his VP.
Why are some people so against having an open convention, letting the candidates make their case and then have the delagates decide?
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Michael Penn
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The Vice President of the United States is elected.
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Casey Sager
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Really? I didn't vote for her, I voted for Bernie Sanders in the D primary in 2020. Then I voted for Joe Biden and the person he selected as his VP running mate.
You know, the second least popular candidate currently after Joe Biden.
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Michael Penn
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12th Amendment.
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Peter Hicks
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An open convention may be better, even if Harris will be the obvious winner. The media will give a lot more coverage if there is some sort of race between candidates.
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Michael Roberts
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Really? I didn't vote for her, I voted for Bernie Sanders in the D primary in 2020. Then I voted for Joe Biden and the person he selected as his VP running mate.
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I didn't vote for [Kamala Harris], I voted for Bernie Sanders in the D primary in 2020. Then I voted for Joe Biden and [Kamala Harris].
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Jason Czeskleba
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Casey Sager wrote:
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If Harris were bypassed for either a man or a white person, it would not be a good look for the party, and it would likely turn off segments of voters they desperately need to stay with them. It would be one thing if she lost fair and square in the primaries, but that isn't possible now. The only way they could have an open convention without pissing anyone off is if Harris said she didn't want the nomination, which clearly is not going to happen.
And really, how good are Democrats at working together for a common goal? Do you think if there was an open convention that all the supporters of the losers would just happily join hands and accept the winner selected by the delegates? Did that even happen in 2016, when there was a full primary that Bernie lost? It's not like there's a viable consensus best candidate out there that everyone wants. AOC was right about that much in her comments last week.
And is it a good idea to pit everyone against each other just three months before the election? There would be no way to run an open convention that didn't involve interested parties attacking each other at a point in the campaign when the attack focus needs to be on the opponent. An open convention would be a shitshow.
I agree Harris is not the strongest possible candidate. There's probably a half dozen people who would be stronger in the sense of "more appealing to disproportionately important swing voters." It's too bad Biden didn't decide not to run last year so there could be an open primary. But at this point, a united front around Harris and no more chaos and dissension in the party seems like the best chance we have.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 22 July 2024 at 3:55am
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James Woodcock
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So the current tactic seems to be go for heritage again yes?
Already seen tweets about her parents not being natural Americans.
So here we go again.
I’m not sure how many attacks on Harris will land. & as this progresses,
things like age, cognitive ability, convictions, women’s rights etc will all now
shift into sharp focus that Trump falls down on
Trump’s team now have a much harder job for the rest of this election.
Age - too old (older than Biden was in the last election, already showing
signs of cognitive decline, what will HE be like in 4 years time?)
Cognitive ability - see above
Convictions - oh dear. We have a convicted felon against a prosecutor
Women’s rights - Republicans have been playing this down. You may now
have a women candidate who would do well to bring up Roe v Wade & the
heinous ways the decision has been applied. Quotes from the Republicans
regarding rape victims having to carry to term, repeated by a female
candidate for President? How does a fat, 70 odd year old male reply to that
without looking like the ‘women have no rights’ douche that he & his party
is/are?
This election has fundamentally changed.
The one aspect they could go for, is whether she has a mandate from the
party. & that can seriously undermine a candidate, or even a person once
they take up position - see the Conservatives in the UK for a party expert in
self regicide, let alone others having to have a go along these lines.
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Kevin Brown
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No, she was not elected. Joe Biden won the nomination for 2020 and selected harris to be his VP.
Why are some people so against having an open convention, letting the candidates make their case and then have the delagates decide?
**************************** She's his VP. Would you feel the same if he had to resign the Presidency due to health concerns? If he does that, then she's the President and the de facto candidate since they ran on the same ticket. The same applies in this case.
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