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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 06 July 2024 at 5:58am | IP Logged | 1
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The explanation for the bad performance being due to jet lag is yet another
own goal.
Is the President not going to travel any more?
I genuinely cannot fathom why people in power will cling to that power until
they are dragged away, long after they are clearly no longer the best person
for that job.
Hubris is a very ugly thing to watch.
Biden should look to France & the UK for two very, very recent examples of
this.
Yes, I understand that there have been occasions where people have
managed to defy the narrative & polls, but that has generally been by
pulling something spectacularly out of the fire, or having the other person
explode/implode.
Trump’s supporters will never implode
Biden cannot pull something spectacular
I truly think he will look worse & worse & worse.
We get @ Trump supporters for being blind to reality, wearing crazy slogan
T-Shirts that are the exact opposite of reality, & yet here we are with Biden.
Refusing to accept the reality that is staring us in the face.
This isn’t about Trump is this, Trump is that. Not anymore. That argument
was easy.
This is now about Biden is this, Biden is that - & the Democratic Party is
now on the back foot, spending their time defending the candidate, rather
than promoting policy.
That’s a crap way to enter an election, & only ever leads to one thing -
defeat.
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Brian Floyd
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| Posted: 06 July 2024 at 11:07pm | IP Logged | 2
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"I wish Biden had run in 2020, because all this would be moot. Trump would not have won if he had faced Biden then."
Brian, have I got some great news for you...
++++++++++++++++++++++ I was in a hurry when I posted, and didn't check before I did. My bad.
Oh, and James? Biden not travelling anymore might not be an issue: As a convicted felon, there's a LOT of countries Trump wouldn't be allowed in.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 07 July 2024 at 5:04am | IP Logged | 3
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I wonder just how many countries would actually enforce that?
But then again, would he care?
I’m sure Russia, North Korea & China would welcome him with open arms
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Charles Valderrama
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We get @ Trump supporters for being blind to reality, wearing crazy slogan T-Shirts that are the exact opposite of reality, & yet here we are with Biden. Refusing to accept the reality that is staring us in the face.
******** The reality is that the Dems have a candidate with a wildly successful record, up against a malignant narcissist - accused serial child rapist with 34 felonies who will have the power of a führer. NEVERTHELESS, corporate media is running a psyop in conjunction with Trump supporters to smear the Dems based on a bad debate performance - almost completely ignoring the horrific, disgusting Epstein-related allegations of pedophilia and child rape against Trump revealed in court documents.
The reality is THIS - Biden has moments where he falters, but there is a stellar team of top advisors and staff to keep this from becoming a policy catastrophe. Even if you don’t like Biden’s policies, this country regularly survives presidents whose policies some don’t like.
We can't survive the destruction of our democracy and fundamental freedoms, which is openly the game plan of Trump. He talks openly about creating military tribunals to punish his enemies in an administration built around retribution.
Covering the "deathwatch" around whether Biden survives as a candidate, while ignoring the fact that this is truly an existential election, less about Biden and Trump, and MORE about whether our DEMOCRACY SURVIVES, is simply NOT what our mainstream press, much less everybody else, should make as their ONE focal point.
-C!
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 07 July 2024 at 7:31pm | IP Logged | 5
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My wife once worked for one of the scientists behind anthrax.
Eminent guy, legend in his field. Well respected.
But by the time my wife worked for him, he was old.
He forgot things, he treated her like shit.
It went on for a while.until she eventually said enough was enough & started
an abuse @ work case.
It took a while & a LOT of evidence.
& overcoming that inertia of who he had been was crippling.
Accepting that someone is no longer the person they once were does not
demean who they once were. Nor does it demean who they now are.
But we get old.
Not accepting that, clinging on to the then despite the now, being enabled
in the now, because of the then, is every bit as dangerous as blindly
following/enabling the monster who is Trump.
We woul make fun of Trump supporters, but ignore it for Biden @ our peril.
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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 07 July 2024 at 8:21pm | IP Logged | 6
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This isn't about making fun of Trump supporters or accepting that someone is no longer the person they once were... this is about staying united for ONE PURPOSE... preserving democracy.
Sounds dramatic to those not paying attention but there are only two options in this election.... and the decision shouldn't be that hard... and there's no room for second guessing or entertaining the propaganda directed towards the better candidate.
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James Woodcock
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That is all well & good. But not everyone will do that based on recent
events.
So you have to ask.
Is Biden the best that the Democrats has to answer the question ‘Who will
appeal to the most people?’
If you honestly believe that to be the case, good on you.
But if you are making the case through arguments like ‘at least he’s not as
bad as the other guy’, then that is a fool’s game. Because you are trying to
convince people against a negative, rather than for a positive.
You’re taking the harder option.
You’re fighting the harder fight.
You’re making this infinitely more risky than it needs to be.
& it will only need one more slip up, one more, before it becomes impossible
to pull this back. & it becomes far too late to change tack by changing the
candidate.
Because everyone already believes he isn’t fit, & when you ignore & try to
unjustifiably defend, to pretend things are not what everyone can plainly
see, before finally giving in due to being backed into a corner, you find
yourself in a lonely place with no one having followed you to that corner.
& there will be nothing you can do to alter the course that has been set.
Look to the UK.
An election that was lost the day the starting gun was fired. That was beset
with critical errors & mistakes.
That enabled a New Zealand reporter to film her final speech a week before
the actual polling day.
There was nothing that could be done to alter what happened. Nothing.
The Democrats are placing themselves in that exact position & trying to
convince a crowd that has already decided.
They need to get this debate back on to policy.
On to how bad it will be. On to what they are offering.
You can’t do that while Biden is there.
Trump doesn’t need to do anything, just stay silent.
& unfortunately for Biden, he appears to have learnt just how to do that, just
@ the most inopportune time.
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But if you are making the case through arguments like ‘at least he’s not as bad as the other guy’, then that is a fool’s game.
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That's hardly the ONLY argument... but your way of thinking is a path towards defeat. "Democrats has to answer the question ‘Who will appeal to the most people?'" Seriously??? Biden's decency and Presidential record doesn't matter??* Corporate media is pushing a different agenda and it's so obviously manipulative.
The push is towards division and uncertainty...and sadly some are falling for it... rather than rallying around the FACTS and what will preserve our democracy.
-C!
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But this isn’t about what he HAS done.
It’s about what he WILL do.
& thus, how he is NOW is a major factor.
Look @ him two years ago. Compare that to now.
How will he be in two years time?
THAT is what is scaring the crap out of people.
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It is scary and the fact it appears his closest advisors ( family ) are trying to convince him to stay in the race just comes across as trying to hold onto power.
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OR.... determined to stay the course and prevent a catastrophe. Again, do we judge him on ONE debate performance? Or his record of accomplishments to THIS DAY? (Compare that... to the last 2 years?? How does that make sense??)
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The signs of slippage have been showing WAY before the debate. If you don't want to acknowledge that there's nothing I can do.
As far as accomplishments his administration got some good stuff through when they had a friendly congress.
Look at the polling and approval rating the last 2-3 years and then come back and tell me how having a candidate who can operate at a minimum human level after 8PM would be a catastrophe.
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