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        | Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Richard Palmgren: 2.  Xavier has Magneto, Wolverine has Sabretooth, who would Scott's archenemy be?
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 Hmm. That's not exactly how I view Magneto...  
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        | John Byrne 
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          Magneto is as much Scott’s foe as he is Xavier’s.
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 |  At the risk of seeming grumpy—which I never am—your questions seem designed to pull out as much info as possible before this book is published. I think from now on you can plug in a standard answer: wait and see. 
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        | Greg Kirkman Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Man, I do miss the purely evil Magneto of the old days. He was once the symbol of everything the X-Men existed to fight against--a mutant determined to use his powers to subjugate humanity.
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 Watering him down into Doctor Doom Lite did the character no favors, even if it did give fans wanting to show off how "sophisticated" comics were a talking point to grab the attention of the normies ("Look! Professor X is MLK, and Magneto is Malcolm X! This is deep stuff!").
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        | Scott Barnett Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          I think what watered him down further was sticking Magneto on the team!
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 I haven't followed the X universe in quite a while, but I hated that trend Marvel went through (still going through?) where all the X-Men's villains not only became good guys, but they actually got a spot on the team or trained to be on it!
 
 It was well thought out when it was done with Rogue, to the point where it's almost been forgotten that she started out as one of the bad guys. But Magneto, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Mystique and the White Queen? That's the whole rogue's gallery!
 
 Who do they even fight anymore? Oh, that's right- Cyclops. SMH.
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        | Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Scott: It was well thought out when it was done with Rogue, to the point
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 |  where it's almost been forgotten that she started out as one of the bad
 guys.
 
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 I don't know if putting Rogue on X-Men counts as "thought out" -- To me, it
 seems more a case of reversing course early enough in her history that
 readers who noticed could more or less forgive how inconsistent it was with
 where she started.
 
 I personally had a hard time with that and considered it a sign that the
 story-wheels had started falling off the series. I stopped reading X-Men
 pretty soon after she showed up.
 
 RE: MAGNETO -- One great thing about Magneto is how quickly and easily
 he slid back into evil shape when JB wrote him into West Coast Avengers.
 He is a terrific villain and a memorable part of that excellent (and tragically
 shortened) run.
 
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        | Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          JB: Magneto is as much Scott’s foe as he is Xavier’s.
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 I agree. I believe the same can be said about most team books -- for example: Dr. Doom and the FF. Sure, Doom has a personal history with Reed, but Doom is a foe of the Fantastic Four.  | 
       
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        | Greg Kirkman Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          RE: MAGNETO -- One great thing about Magneto is how quickly and easily
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 |  he slid back into evil shape when JB wrote him into West Coast Avengers.
 He is a terrific villain and a memorable part of that excellent (and tragically
 shortened) run.
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 A highly underrated run!
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        | John Byrne 
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          Magneto is a lesson not only in how far—and how fast—a character can be run off the rails, but the extreme degree with which some fans will embrace the changes.
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 |  When I was starting up on HIDDEN YEARS word got out that the Magneto seen there would be the ruthless S.O.B. he’d been at that vintage—and that Stan and Jack created—and I was hammered online by those who defended his “freedom fighter” status. It mattered not a jot that Chris, in portraying him that way, was ignoring all that had gone before—including what Chris himself had written! (I’ve mentioned before that when we were working together Chris would often call me with dramatic readings of his latest dialog, and whenever Magneto was in the scene Chris would switch to a cackling Wicked Witch of the West voice. Years later, after Magneto’s “rehabilitation” I often asked if he still sounded like that!)
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        | Sean Sullivan Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          I could not agree with this more.
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        | Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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 |  Luckily I wasn't tainted with any "rehabilitated" Magneto stories, sounds perfectly awful. Like I've said many times over, I always feel safe reading JB offerings he keeps characters close to their source. My anticipation is palpable for an Elsewhen tale featuring Magneto.
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        | John Byrne 
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          I've recently learned that since the first whisper of this project made it onto the internet, Marvel and Disney have been deluged with vitriol from Byrne Bashers wanting to make sure everyone knows I am the Great Satan and this should be killed aborning.
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 |  Which is a pity.  If Marvel decides they don't want this, based on all this noise, the only ones who will be "hurt" are the fans who are so looking forward to it.  Won't hurt me at all.  I'll just "publish" here, as fan fiction. It's all too typical, unfortunately.  The internet trolls who don't want to see something published, and therefore don't think ANYONE should see it.  Joseph Goebbels would be proud.
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        | Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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 |  Another instance where the "vocal minority" may have persuasive powers. I say we on the forum rally our forces, and let our voices be heard!  | 
       
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