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THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN on television introduced me to that character. From there it was a short series of steps to the Superman comics, to Superboy, and to Batman, who was in an anthology I picked up because Superboy was in it.

Superman introduced me, Batman made me an addict.

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Americans have a need to change adults things into kids items if kids show
an interest. I remember reading that Popeye was originally for adults and
then was changed once it was found out kids were attracted to the strip;
Superman and Batman were altered to be better role-models for kids-- if
kids like it, we better sanitize it for them rather than just say, "No. That's not
for you."

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Pity the reverse seems to be the order of business with superheroes these
days.
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What was that fascination that drew us all to comics as a child i know what it was for me do you?

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I know I learned to read by perusing through my father's comic book collections. So probably the first thing I read was a comic book when I was 3 years old.

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The story and the art drew me in like a moth to the flame i was hooked there and then my adventure was just beginning!
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That's me as well. My dad had comics and I grew up with those. I was in 4th
grade when I started getting new ones here and there. I started actively
buying them a couple years later. I was drawing my own homemade comics
before I was actively buying comics.
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Keith Thomas
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I was late to comics I loved all the tv shows (anyone
else
watch the Electric Company just in case they'd run that 5
minute skit of Spider-man?), cartoons and movies but
never
got any comics. My first comic was 1 or 2 issues of Star
Wars then nothing until GiJoe and it wasn't until New
Mutants SE #1 that the art caught my eye and expanded my
horizons. All I can think as to why I didn't read them
earlier is my limited allowance got spent on other things
and as long as I could watch them on tv why buy the
books.

Maybe if my parents hadn't thrown out all the golden age
books they had as kids (grocery bags full I'm told) I'd
have started earlier.

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What I want to know is where all these people in charge of the adultification of superhero comic books, particularly the icons, came from.

I mean, what part of the culture actually produced men who think these insipid "stories" and "events" are remotely as expertly crafted as they were in "primitive" times of the Silver Age and so on.

You hear Stan Lee talk (notably in 80-plus year old car salesman mode) and he is mind-boggled by how "good" the comics are now. What a load!

Didn't most of these current brains and talent at the Big Two go to college? Didn't they learn anything in all those English classes about story structure, symbolism, dialogue, character integrity?

Doesn't ANYone in "the Industry" care about original story-telling? Doesn't ANY of these sub-humans who slaver over the latest horsesh*t superhero fare care if they read anything actually good?

I think it comes down to "scale." Most of these people putting the comics together, and certainly the ones reading them, aren't "learned" in good story-telling enough to know what it looks like. They have nothing to compare it to, except WATCHMEN, and even proponents of WATCHMEN cannot fathom how the work is a hot-plate of anything but a superhero story.

So I go about my business as a burgeoning, belabored writer-type, another minnow in the muddy stream, and I'm fascinated by the characters in comics, at least the best ones, the ones that appeal directly to me. I read the comics news sites. I have the same look on my face, I imagine, that someone gets when they realize there's a human toe in their pasta.

I'm wondering what the f*ck is wrong with the people behind the scenes, and the people buying the books. Not because "my" characters are being smeared, but because no one seems to be able to identify a good story, or a story period, from a hackneyed script and horrible art.

I think it says a lot that the most notable superhero stories are all 20 years old and older. Even non-superhero stories, the best, the most well-known are reaching ten/fifteen years old.

Think about that: there hasn't been a watershed comic book in a decade or more. There hasn't been a movie that set a standard of excellence, created a new genre, since when? THE MATRIX? Again: ten f*cking years ago?

Think about TEN years, folks. Go back in time, at any time since, say, WW 2. Think about TEN years. Think about the movies, the books, the comics that emerged in any TEN year period. Classics, important works, integral experiences! In music, in literature, in television, in comics. People's lives could be changed by reading one book, watching one movie, reading one comic.

Nobody's life is being changed now. They're all waiting for More. It doesn't matter how piss-poor it is, as long as it's More. Nothing matters to tomatoes. They grow, they get heavy, they fall and rot. And that's not the kind of culture I thought we had, not when I was a kid. I wanted to be part of something cool and interesting and culturally impactful. Thing is, nobody gives a sh*t!

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Didn't most of these current brains and talent at the Big Two go to college? Didn't they learn anything in all those English classes about story structure, symbolism, dialogue, character integrity?

They don't teach you any of that in college. The professors are too busy indoctrinating their students with crazy left wing ideas. *sarcasm.

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 QUOTE:
What was that fascination that drew us all to comics as a child i
know what it was for me do you?


The Beano and the Dandy were part of the landscape of my early
childhood, certainly pre-school to the best of my recollection.

I'm of an age when war films still used to be massive part of my
childhood viewing, so British war comics used to make a regular
appearance in my reading. Initially, it was Warlord and Victor, plus -- of
course -- Commando Picture Library.

And then there was Action. For some reason, I never bought Action, my
mate Nick got hold of a copy and I used to go round to his house for the
insanely violent delights of Hookjaw and Spinball.

All of which were just a warm-up act for 2000AD, which was my violent,
subversive, brilliant companion for so many years.

Around about 1983 or 84, a friend of mine introduced me to the random
selection of Byrne/Claremont X-Men he'd procured during his parents'
tours of book fairs and I simultaneously became aware of the fact that
this -- Marvel and DC -- was where all my favourite British creators
were disappearing to.

And then I was done for. X-Men (I think I picked up somewhere around
Uncanny #180); Daredevil, Swamp Thing, Batman, Detective, and then
suddenly there was Dark Knight, Watchmen, and then Hellblazer,
Sandman ... And then I had a job at a comic store, which I had to give up
when I realized that the contents of my reservation list accounted for 75%
of my pay cheque.

Cheers

Jim
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For me too it was television, Superman and then Batman, that got me into the characters. And then somewhat later an older relative gave me his copy of BATMAN #181, the debut of Poison Ivy. I was hooked.

(But my first comic book was one I got as a very tiny tot in Greece, a GOOFY comic actually in Greek. Sort of added an extra layer of humor.)



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I think someone up thread made a comment that it wasn't a good idea to have an EIC of a comic company who started reading comics as an adult.  Who is this referring to?
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The George Reeves Superman and those early Marvel cartoons...
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