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Erik Larsen
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John Byrne wrote:
Rob Liefeld got a lot of people to buy comics.
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Well, you did declare him the heir to Kirby, after all! |
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No I didn't.
Can't you get anything right?
Read the entirety of what I said in its context and you will find that you
are, in fact, dead wrong.
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Matt Hawes
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Erik Larsen wrote:
...And who can forget Weird Al
Yankovic's...uh...classic, "Barney's On Fire?"... |
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That was Tony Mason.
Weird Al gets credited for almost any song parody anymore, which I understand frustrates him as most are much more crude than anything he would do himself.
So much so, in fact, that Weird Al addresses the matter first thing in the FAQ to his official website:
http://www.weirdal.com/faq.htm
Edited by Matt Hawes on 18 June 2009 at 2:09pm
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Jay Famous
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Liefeld's success had almost nothing to do with whether the work was good or bad. Somehow he got picked as "hot" (perhaps Gareb Shamus had over-ordered some Liefeld books and needed to sell them),
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That's "funny", but it isn't even based in fact. Liefeld was starring in a Levi's commercial directed by Spike Lee the same year WIZARD published its first "issue", at that time just a cheaply produced newsletter for Shamus' family's store. Shamus had no real national profile at the time and no ability to make anyone "hot". That came later. Liefeld's star rose before Shamus'. You know, John, hard as it is for you to believe, some readers might have actually liked Liefeld's work. Not everybody with a different aesthetic opinion from yours has just been brainwashed. There really is "no accounting for taste", yet here you are trying to account for it.
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Eric Lund
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See again opinion. I think and have always thought that Savage Dragon was crap of the highest order. Artistically horrendous and just plain stupid. My opinion of people who liked and even loved the book is that they were morons who had no idea what art was.
For me I love Neal Adams. I collected every Continuity title he put out and thought they were great. But alot of people thought Continuity books were total and complete garbage and awful in every way....
Opinions in both cases...
Make no Mistake Savage Dragon is a horribly drawn, awful book.
You can debate whether you think Neal Adams' comics or Erik Larsen's comics are better than the other but in the end it is all just opinion, which as JB pointed out was yours.
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Trevor Giberson
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Am I mistaken, or did you just call me a moron?
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John Byrne
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Liefeld's success had almost nothing to do with whether the work was good or bad. Somehow he got picked as "hot" (perhaps Gareb Shamus had over-ordered some Liefeld books and needed to sell them),+++ That's "funny", but it isn't even based in fact. Liefeld was starring in a Levi's commercial directed by Spike Lee the same year WIZARD published its first "issue", at that time just a cheaply produced newsletter for Shamus' family's store. Shamus had no real national profile at the time and no ability to make anyone "hot". That came later. Liefeld's star rose before Shamus'. You know, John, hard as it is for you to believe, some readers might have actually liked Liefeld's work. Not everybody with a different aesthetic opinion from yours has just been brainwashed. There really is "no accounting for taste", yet here you are trying to account for it. •• You should learn what "perhaps" means.
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Jay Famous
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You can debate whether you think Neal Adams' comics or Erik Larsen's comics are better than the other but in the end it is all just opinion, which as JB pointed out was yours.
-Eric Lund
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Who was this directed at, Eric?
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Erik Larsen
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Matt Hawes wrote:
Erik Larsen wrote:
...And who can forget Weird Al
Yankovic's...uh...classic, "Barney's On Fire?"...
That was Tony Mason. |
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You're right. And because it was Tony Mason and not Weird Al Yankovic
my whole point is completely invalidated. Everybody LOVED Barney and
nobody made fun of is EVER because it was Tony Mason and not Weird Al
Yankovic that sang that stupid song.
Honestly--who the fuck cares?
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Charles Valderrama
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"some readers might have actually liked Liefeld's work."
*******
i believe JB alluded to that when he say, "Somehow he got picked as "hot"...
.... joking that WIZARD had become quite the advertiser for Liefeld along the
way.
Can't say i didn't see it that way myself!!!
( is it getting hostile around here???)
-C!
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Greg Woronchak
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I'm only admitting I bought his stuff because this is the Internet and no one can throw actual monkey doo at me for saying so.
I, uh, bought his stuff too, back in the day (ducks to avoid monkey poo)...
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Matt Hawes
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Erik wrote:
...You're right. And because it was Tony Mason and not Weird Al Yankovic
my whole point is completely invalidated. Everybody LOVED Barney and
nobody made fun of is EVER because it was Tony Mason and not Weird Al
Yankovic that sang that stupid song.
Honestly--who the fuck cares?... |
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Weird Al, for one.
I thought you were all about getting facts straight? Are you feeling ok, Erik? You sure are flying off the handle at a simple correction. I never wrote anything disgreeing with what you said about people hating Barney.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 18 June 2009 at 2:37pm
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Greg Woronchak
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Honestly--who the fuck cares?
Maybe Barney does <g>....
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