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Erik Larsen Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 344
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Rob's work appealed very much to younger, less sophisticated readers.
The objection to his work is largely from people who "knew better" and
were appalled that anybody would like it.
I know I'll get pitched shit about this analogy but it's kind of like Barney--
that purple dinosaur. People were up in arms about Barney because they
knew it was terrible and couldn't understand why anybody would like it
for any reason. But you know--if you're 35--maybe you shouldn't be
watching Barney in the first place. Maybe Barney isn't aimed at you.
Rob Liefeld got a lot of people to buy comics. Those readers branched out
as they got older and read other books. I have no problem with that. If
Rob Liefeld's work is a "gateway drug" for comic books--I say, bring 'im
on!
Edited by Erik Larsen on 18 June 2009 at 1:47pm
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Jesus Garcia Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 10 April 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 2414
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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | 2
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John Byrne
How do you buy a book and then realize it's crap? Sure, I
can see where a really good artist might fool you into
thinking there was a really good writer, too, until you
read the book. But how the heck could anyone look at
Liefeld's stuff and think they were going to get
something good? Anyone over the age of 12, anyway.
Temporary lapse in judgement. I kept hoping to see some
Hawk & Dove quality shine through. That book showed
promise.
Gave up on Liefeld after three or four issues. Forget
what the books wehere now. Utter crap.
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John Byrne
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I know I'll get pitched shit about this analogy but it's kind of like Barney-- that purple dinosaur. People were up in arms about Barney because they knew it was terrible and couldn't understand why anybody would like it for any reason. But you know--if your 35--maybe you shouldn't be watching Barney in the first place. Maybe Barney isn't aimed at you. •• Who was "up in arms" about Barney? I remember a furor over the TeleTubbies, but aside from late night comics having a field day with the whole thing, I don't recall anyone being particularly bent out of shape over Barney.
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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology

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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 1:49pm | IP Logged | 4
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And make no mistake, the book is very, very good.
••
Once again, opinion stated as fact.
^^
Quite obviously an opinion, though.
••
Opinions do not carry an admonition warning that to disagree is a
"mistake".
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Whatever. It was obviously a subjective statement.
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Jesus Garcia Byrne Robotics Member

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Erik Larsen
Rob Liefeld got a lot of people to buy comics. Those
readers branched out as they got older and read other
books. I have no problem with that. If Rob Liefeld's work
is a "gateway drug" for comic books--I say, bring 'im
on!
I can see what you mean. I know a few younger readers
who got into comics that very way.
Thing is, I can't imagine anyone today saying "Gosh, I
got into reading comics because of Rob Liefeld" and not
expect to get tar and feathered.
Really. I'm only admitting I bought his stuff because
this is the Internet and no one can throw actual monkey
doo at me for saying so.
Edited by Jesus Garcia on 18 June 2009 at 1:53pm
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John Byrne
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This is a subjective statement:
SAVAGE DRAGON is a good book.
This is not:
Make no mistake, SAVAGE DRAGON is a good book.
Like opinions, subjective statements do not inform the reader/listener that
they are wrong if they disagree.
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John Byrne
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Rob Liefeld got a lot of people to buy comics.
••
Well, you did declare him the heir to Kirby, after all!
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Moose Baumann Byrne Robotics Member

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Creators' rights? What are those?
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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology

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John Byrne wrote:
This is a subjective statement:
SAVAGE DRAGON is a good book.
This is not:
Make no mistake, SAVAGE DRAGON is a good book.
Like opinions, subjective statements do not inform the reader/listener that
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Fine.
Make no mistake, I think Savage Dragon is a very good book.
Now back to our regularly scheduled foolishness.
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Jay Famous Byrne Robotics Member

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Who was "up in arms" about Barney? I remember a furor over the TeleTubbies, but aside from late night comics having a field day with the whole thing, I don't recall anyone being particularly bent out of shape over Barney.
-John Byrne
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It was pretty fashionable to bash Barney for a while. I remember Barney being blown away with a shotgun on a late night talk show and more than one novelty song about killing the big purple bastard. It was just so tragically unhip that it got dumped on a lot. I knew parents at the time who hated that they had to sit through it with their kids- a lot more than they hated any other kids' programming that they had to endure.. Another thing that I think caused people to be cynical about Barney was the age of the kids on the show. They were MUCH older than the kids the show was aimed at, but people would tune in and see 8 and 10-year-olds cavorting with Barney and cry out that kids that age were WAY beyond such material. They were, but these kids were actors on a show that was intended for children who could barely talk.
Edited by Jay Famous on 18 June 2009 at 2:25pm
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John Mietus Byrne Robotics Member

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John Byrne wrote:
Who was "up in arms" about Barney? I remember a furor
over the TeleTubbies, but aside from late night comics having a field day
with the whole thing, I don't recall anyone being particularly bent out of
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Parents of children who were fans of Barney, or caretakers of those children,
mostly. I remember when Barney first hit big a lot of my friends -- who
were having preschoolers at the time and it makes me shudder with rickety
bones to realize that those kids are now in college -- were absolutely
adamant that their kids "would not watch that damned purple
dinosaur, thank you".
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Erik Larsen Byrne Robotics Member

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JB--do a quick Google search--Barney was very much an object of ridicule
from multiple fronts--and having had kids who grew up at the height of
that era--they turned on him pretty quick. And who can forget Weird Al
Yankovic's...uh...classic, "Barney's On Fire?"
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