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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:08am | IP Logged | 1
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Erik Larsen wrote:
...Yes--we were having deadline problems--but there were several of us who had gotten our act together and we didn't want to make things any worse than they already were. They had assured us they would make their deadlines and they didn't do that.
But that wasn't everybody. Like I said, some were let go for other reasons. In some cases the others just didn't like the books after they'd seen them in print and they didn't want them to be Image books.... |
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Knut wrote:
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I can understand the reasons for dumping the other creators, I certainly understood them at the time, and deadline and profitability problems are straight-forward. But the "It turns out we didn't like the books" seems an odd way to react to creator owned books.
I know it's a standard that any regular publisher uses. They don't like a writer or artist's approach on a book they fire him or (in the case of creator owned properties) dump the property.
But in terms of Image being presented of Image as a Creator Friendly alternative where people could publish their own thing, I would think that shy of obscene or brand-polluting work, the personal tastes of the founders would take a back seat?... |
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I'm glad Erik explained what happened with those creators from Image's second wave of creator-owned comics.
I wish I could remember the issue of "Wizard" magazine which first reported the firings of those creators. I remember that Hilary Barta was particularly unhappy with what went down.
That action of the Image founders booting the next crop of creators revealed to me at that time that those founders weren't truly for creator rights, but THEIR rights alone. And I was a fan of what they had started, too, so I was really disappointed in how that whole situation went down.
I don't recall if the "Wizard" article touched on the deadline situation, but I did remember a variant of the "others (founders at Image) just didn't like the books after they'd seen them in print" excuse being given for Image booting those creators and their books.
I have to agree with Knut, that hardly seems a creator-friendly attitude from a company that claimed it was behind creator's rights.
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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology

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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:14am | IP Logged | 2
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Joe Zhang wrote:
The younger audience are certainly paying attention to Manga. I don't
think the comic industry has anything to applaud themselves about if
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I'm Canadian. Marvel and DC are foreign companies as far as I'm concerned. :)
Whatever. Let those who make the best comics win. If Viz can produce better books than Marvel, so be it.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:19am | IP Logged | 3
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That action of the Image founders booting the next crop of creators revealed to me at that time that those founders weren't truly for creator rights, but THEIR rights alone.•• At the time it became popular to say Image wanted to be Marvel in the worst way -- and they were.
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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology

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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:22am | IP Logged | 4
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Matt Hawes wrote:
That action of the Image founders booting the next crop of creators
revealed to me at that time that those founders weren't truly for
creator rights, but THEIR rights alone. And I was a fan of what they
had started, too, so I was really disappointed in how that whole
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I'm not a fan of early Image, but how is that the case? The creators still owned their characters, not the company. They were/are able to take them elsewhere as they chose and market them as they saw fit, including reprinting what was published under the Image banner with another company. That's awesome as far as I'm concerned.
Edited by Trevor Giberson on 18 June 2009 at 9:23am
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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 23 April 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1857
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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:25am | IP Logged | 5
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Sad to think, after all these years, that there might still be some who cling to the myth of Image. ---
I'm going to step down here, because I dont far less about this than you, I'm from sweden, so I can't speak on that subject with any authority at all.
But being from this socialist country which sweden basically is, and being tought from the get-go that doing stuff for money is evil, especially if you are an artist, and then have to suffer through that incredibly stupid belief-system, make me especially partial to americans and their point of view in regard to commercialized entertainment. - I'll take Michael Bay's "Transformers" over Bergman any day..
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Donald Pfeffer Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 March 2009 Posts: 194
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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:26am | IP Logged | 6
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When Marvel lets titles come out late, the people on this board get up in arms and complain about a lack of professionalism. But Image canceling a few titles for being chronically late over a decade ago is consistently used as evidence of their lack of professionalism.
I don't get it. Didn't this thread start as a discussion on how late books shouldn't be tolerated? How did it somehow turn into a discussion about how Image tramped on "creator rights" by not tolerating late books?
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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:29am | IP Logged | 7
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"That's awesome as far as I'm concerned."
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No, this is awesome!

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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology

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John Byrne wrote:
At it became popular to say at the time, Image wanted to be Marvel in the worst way -- and they were. |
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There were some stinky comics back then. Marvel was pretty lousy too, if I remember that far back.
Image now is pretty good, though. Some clever, creative people publishing interesting and unique books there, books of many genres. Based entirely on quality of publications in the last two or three years, Image is one of the better companies out right now.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:32am | IP Logged | 9
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When Marvel lets titles come out late, the people on this board get up in arms and complain about a lack of professionalism. But Image canceling a few titles for being chronically late over a decade ago is consistently used as evidence of their lack of professionalism. •• Who said it was a lack of professionalism? The complaint is that Image set themselves up as the Great Champions of Creator's Rights -- then revealed that they were not by canceling late books created by other people. The Seven Little Shits were untouchable.
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Trevor Giberson Byrne Robotics Chronology

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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:32am | IP Logged | 10
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Oh Christ, stop posting Liefeld. It hurts our eyes, it does!
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Zaki Hasan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 18 June 2009 at 9:34am | IP Logged | 11
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Based entirely on quality of publications in the last two or three years, Image is one of the better companies out right now.
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Totally agree.
Edited by Zaki Hasan on 18 June 2009 at 9:34am
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John Byrne
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here were some stinky comics back then. Marvel was pretty lousy too, if I remember that far back. Image now is pretty good, though. Some clever, creative people publishing interesting and unique books there, books of many genres. Based entirely on quality of publications in the last two or three years, Image is one of the better companies out right now. •• As Frank Miller said, when he came to his senses at last, Marvel produced so much brilliant work in their first few years they were able to coast for the next forty. Image "produced" so much crap in their first few years they will have to spend forty years producing nothing but sheer brilliance to make up for it.
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