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Jesus Garcia
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Show me the money.
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Ian Moss
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I'm new here, but I'm finding myself in 100% agreement with Jesus Garcia.
Both are great comic creators with different opinions on some things -- let it go.
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Don Zomberg
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...Joe Q and Dan D. to be moved aside.
You'd have to simultaneously replace the bulk of the current comic audience with what it used to be--a self-replenishing readership of adolescents, not thirty and forty year olds who partake of a hobby they have nothing but contempt for.
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Stephen Churay
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It makes me curious as to what It'll take for Joe Q. and Dan D. to be moved aside.
Chad: You don't run the gravediggers out of the graveyard, do you?
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You do if they're the one's killing people to stock the graveyard.
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Erik Larsen
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Paul Greer wrote:
Don't let this rambling throw the thread off course. Growing roses, lowest
comic sales since 2002, Larsen claiming JB's return to Marvel after the
success of Superman reboot a failure. These are the issues at hand folks.
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I said what now?
That's completely false. I said that kind of book would be likely the kind
we might be allowed to do had we failed at Image and had to return to
Marvel. Those books, by the way, were either over or on their way out at
the time we would have have come crawling back. the point being--these
were not A-list titles.
There was some segue into a discussion in which I suggested that the
public perception was that Byrne had to take lesser books after having
left Marvel for DC and having come back but at no point did I claim
Byrne's anything was "a failure."
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Joe Smith
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Jesus said: & nbsp; S'funny ... all these
efforts at looking for ways to prove EL wrong. He must be
the most abused John Byrne fan around ... most vehemently
by other John Byrne fans, to boot! Talk about an absurd
world!
just because we're on page 32 doesn't mean page 31 ceases
to exist, Jesus.
I'm just saying in my above thread, you come here and
stir up shit, you're going to get hit with some corn.
Spin that into a hissy fit, please.
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Erik Larsen
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Greg Woronchak wrote:
My point was that we would NOT be given back the books that we vacated
and that we'd have to do some other, lesser titles and the counter is that
we'd still be able to get work at Marvel?
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Erik, are there examples where Image founders asked for their 'vacated'
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This is getting pretty redundant at this point. We didn't fail--we didn't go
crawling back-- it didn't come up.
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Joe Smith
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Erik, in all honesty, can you tell us the #1 reason the
Image creators went back for Heroes Reborn?
(btw, I REALLY wanted your Defenders to work, I love that
team)
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Peter Svensson
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I have a good guess of what the reason was.
$$$$$$$
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Joe Smith
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I can be sarcastic, too, Peter.
However, I also would like to be proven wrong, and have
some faith restored in some heroes from my past.
I have a forum to ask one of them right here, in Erik
Larsen, and he seems as passionate as any comics fan I
know.
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Erik Larsen
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Matt Hawes wrote:
Erik Larsen wrote:
...Early on at Image we had
some deadline problems and it was our goal to help rectify that situation.
Part of that effort was to take on other creators and their books with the
stipulation that they must meet their deadlines because we were
trying to get our company back on track and that they must do decent
work. A lot of these guys blew it--turning in books that were months
late and that's why they were let go....
So, you're saying that the founders at Image couldn't put their own books
out on time, so hired others to put out other comics on time, but didn't
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Exactly.
I mean--I didn't personally fire anybody--I was away at a
convention at the time and I wasn't at that meeting where the ax fell but
Image as a company did.
It's kind of like this--your pipes are leaking. You call in a plumber to fix
your pipes. He fails. You fire him. And then he says, "Why are you firing
me?-- You couldn't fix them either!"
Yes--we were having deadline problems--but there were several of us
who had gotten our act together and we didn't want to make things any
worse than they already were. They had assured us they would make
their deadlines and they didn't do that.
But that wasn't everybody. Like I said, some were let go for other reasons.
In some cases the others just didn't like the books after they'd seen them
in print and they didn't want them to be Image books. In many cases
creators were taken on sight unseen. Keith Giffen, in particular, took a
sharp artistic turn from what he had been doing before and some of the
guys weren't too taken with it. Again--not my call.
Tribe was one book singled out as being bounced because it was late.
And it was REALLY late. At that point the window for returnability was 90
days and their first issue barely squeaked through.
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Joe Smith
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Trencher really WAS a wild left turn.
What was that all about, that artwork?
As a Giffen fan, I have all the issues, but I waited for it
to HIT me, and then, alas, it was no more....
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