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Matt Hawes
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Sebastien Roy wrote:
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"So, you're saying that the founders at Image couldn't put their own books out on time, so hired others to put out other comics on time, but didn't do it, so you fired them?"
I never understand why people feel the need to take jabs at Erik Larsen, or vice-versa for that matter. It's like your hoping for retaliation or something... |
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How am I taking a jab with that question?
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Charles Valderrama
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John is as bad as any of you-- accusing me of ripping off the
Abomination when I created the Dragon and making assumptions about
how and why Image was formed with no information to back anything up.
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Isn't the formation of Image Comics well-documented?? I think for awhile
there in the beginning years WIZARD spent pages interviewing the founders
and explaining the formation of the company, and other publications
followed suit. What did they get wrong??
-C!
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John Byrne
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John is as bad as any of you-- accusing me of ripping off the Abomination when I created the Dragon…•• Since I did no such thing, I find it very revealing that you think I did! ++ …making assumptions about how and why Image was formed with no information to back anything up… •• I make no assumptions whatsoever about why Image was formed. As to the "how", please disabuse me of any of these points. widely reported at the time (including in Images own self-promotion) which are incorrect: With the exception of Valentino, the founders of Image had made a tidy sum at Marvel. They banded together and set out on their own. They landed at Malibu, where they created an "imprint". Malibu published the Image imprint and took all the risks. When Images was firmly entrenched and successful, Malibu was dumped.
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John Byrne
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…...Early on at Image we had
some deadline problems…
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And a man standing in the path of a tidal wave is in danger of getting moist.
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John Byrne
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…I never understand why people feel the need to take jabs at Erik Larsen...
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Uhm... because he makes absurd and unsubstantiated comments and
expects people to simply accept them?
But I'm not sure how insisting on "truth in advertising" constitutes taking
"jabs".
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 17 June 2009 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | 6
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Isn't the formation of Image Comics well-documented?
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Indeed it is. Which is why the Big Lie fails so badly.
I do recall with great amusement, when CBG listed the top selling
comicbook companies in the first year of Image, and put Malibu Comics
at the top. Jim Valentino wrote a letter excoriating Don and Maggie and
insisting that Image was the top. Image! Image! Image!
The Thompsons simply replied by pointing out that Image had been
announced as, and at that time continue to be, an imprint of Malibu.
Thus, it was Malibu that was number one.
Even that early the Image boys were trying to rewrite their own history.
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Greg Woronchak
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My point was that we would NOT be given back the books that we vacated and that we'd have to do some other, lesser titles and the counter is that we'd still be able to get work at Marvel?
Erik, are there examples where Image founders asked for their 'vacated' books back and were refused? It wouldn't surprise me that specific editors may hold grudges, but wouldn't the 'suits' be concerned about the best interests of the company (sales), and welcome back popular creators to titles they've proven they can sell?
Of course I may be way off base, and my apologies if I am.
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John Byrne
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My point was that we would NOT be given back the books that we vacated
and that we'd have to do some other, lesser titles and the counter is that
we'd still be able to get work at Marvel?
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How is it that YOU can invoke "imaginary" scenarios, based on NOTHING,
while when / envoke "imaginary" scenarios based on Marvel's past
performance you dismiss them?
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Ray Soderberg
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JB wrote:
John is as bad as any of you-- accusing me of ripping off the
Abomination when I created the Dragon…
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Since I did no such thing, I find it very revealing that you think I did!
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JB wrote:
As for other similarities between Savage Dragon and the Hulk, they both
have super strength and are invulnerable.
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…and are green and are male and on the side of the angels. But, in the end,
a more accurate picture might be gotten if at some point, lo these many
years ago, someone asked himself "What if the Abomination was a
goodguy?" |
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Vinny Valenti
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Erik Larsen wrote:
Greg--that's right. People make those kinds of moves all the time. Paul
Smith is a terrific artist and his work only got better but to many fans--he
stepped off the face of the Earth when he stopped doing X-Men. He stopped
being "X-Men's Paul Smith" and he became a mere mortal. These days few
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And that's it in a nutshell, isn't it? *EVERY* person faces some sort of risk by switching jobs, period. But I think you are overstating the amount of risk you guys took when you formed Image, Erik.
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John Byrne
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EL:
John is as bad as any of you-- accusing me of ripping off the
Abomination when I created the Dragon…
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JB:
Since I did no such thing, I find it very revealing that you think I did!
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EL:
As for other similarities between Savage Dragon and the Hulk, they both
have super strength and are invulnerable.
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JB:
…and are green and are male and on the side of the angels. But, in the
end,
a more accurate picture might be gotten if at some point, lo these many
years ago, someone asked himself "What if the Abomination was a
goodguy?"
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JB:
And this by you is an accusation?
This thread is becomimg a fascinating snapshot of the mangling the
English language can take when some people need words to mean other
than what they mean.
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John Byrne
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But I think you are overstating the amount of risk you guys took when you
formed Image, Erik.
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Anything higher than ZERO would be an overstatement.
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