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Al Cook
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Posted: 17 June 2009 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | 1  

Ed? Examples to back up your assertion? Any time soon?
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Pages 1 to 26, Al.
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 Ed Bracken wrote:
It's heading that way, ain't it?

I don't think so, no.  I've seen much worse, here and elsewhere.


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Erik Larsen's been pretty civil to my mind and he's met with some harsh responses.

Oh please.  Erik has said some pretty damning things, some things he's been asked to clarify, and a few good points.  No one posts on a message board, writes a blog, or voices an opinion without the notion that someone will call them on it.  He's not a victim.  He's a big boy.

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Posted: 17 June 2009 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | 4  

Paul Greer ( NOT Trek Tart, dunno why that happened)

Erik Larsen has done the same thing. He and the momentum
of Image made Savage Dragon a hit in the early 90's. He
came back to Marvel and DC and worked on Defenders and
Aquaman. I never looked at that as any step down.

John Byrne

Yet, according to Larsen's own definitions in describing
my career choices, after self-publishing DRAGON and
working on SPIDER-MAN, the Defenders and Aquaman would be
a huge step down.

Me

Probably there is some ambiguity in the implication of
expressions like "a huge step down".

What is significant is whether this is understood as (1)
a huge step down in a career (undesirable) or (2) huge
step down from the rat race (desireable).

There is also the perception that success means moving
from an audience of one size to an audience of a larger
another. You had more readers on Superman that on Demon
but your work on Demon blows away your earlier work on
Superman. To my way of thinking, Demon was a more
succesful book and a step up. Unfortunately, I can
probably dig up a lot of people that think the other way
around.

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was being facetious with the flying monkeys thing, okay? You got me!

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Backpeddling approaches supersonic speed.

Here's a wacky idea -- how about paying attention to what actually
happens in this Forum, rather than what you think (or, more likely
want to) happen?
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Ed Bracken
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I'm not backpedalling, I was using that term facetiously, that's all.  The sentiment's the same.
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I'm not backpedalling, I was using that term facetiously, that's all. The
sentiment's the same.

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You better go buy a dictionary.
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Ed Bracken
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–adjective
1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
 
And that's how I meant it. 
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So calling people "flying monkeys" and then saying "only kidding" when
called on it is not, in your book, backpeddling?

Maybe you should look up backpeddling!
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Al Cook
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 Ed Bracken, in response to my request for examples to back up his assertion that JB get(s) into ridiculous arguments, batten(s) down the hatches when things don't go (his) way and let(s) the flying monkeys pile on. wrote:
Pages 1 to 26, Al.


Hmmm. I must not have used the word 'specific.'

No, wait; here's what I asked:

 Al Cook wrote:
Page & post number from this thread, please, of a
specific concrete example.


So, Ed, can you manage one single specific example to back up your
claim? Can you? Please?

Edited by Al Cook on 17 June 2009 at 12:11pm
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Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
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So THAT's the definition of backpedaling? I've had it wrong for so many years! Thanks for the heads-up.
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I wasn't kidding about the mean-spirited pile ons I mentioned, but I was using the term 'flying monkeys' in a facetious way to illustrate the point.
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