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Stephen Churay
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Chris, I don't think the 22 page comic will cease to exist. It may cease print publication, but I think, well, I hope the 22 page format will become the monthly web comic. You want to read it monthly, Buy an online subscription. Then the trade collection sees print. At this point, the price you pay to read comics should drop, as the publisher no longer has the overhead of printing cost or shipping. I personally believe that part of the reason the cover prices are shooting up is to make the online subscription attractive.
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Martin Redmond
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That wouldn't have been fair to the Kubert Bros
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I'm sure that would've been a huge blow to Adam Kubert who drew about an issue out of 6 during his Wolverine run. I had to subscribe to the title to get his art. It made me so mad that I haven't bought any of his comics since.
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Paul Greer
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So it's an entirely different scenario than the possible one that I'd
outlined. Image did not fail and we were not crawling back and being
offered second-tier titles. Instead, Image was a success and I was simply
looking for some other book to do in addition to the work I was doing at
Image.
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Fair enough in regards to your return. But I wonder if you would be willing to concede that John's time at DC was also a success and that he did not go crawling back to Marvel for whatever they could offer him? My problem with your initial post is that you strongly imply that is what happened to John. He may not have been the number one at the time, but it would be hard to argue he wasn't a top ten guy when he was working on She-Hulk and the rest.
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Andrew W. Farago
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I'm sure that would've been a huge blow to Adam Kubert who drew about
an issue out of 6 during his Wolverine run. I had to subscribe to the
title to get his art. It made me so mad that I haven't bought any of
his comics since.
I know that Andy Kubert hardly missed an issue of X-Men during his run on the book, and I don't recall a whole lot of fill-ins between Wolverine 75 and 100, during Adam Kubert's run on that title. Andy Kubert was definitely more reliable, but I guess that's 'cause Andys are just so trustworthy and dependable.
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Stephen Churay
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OK, THIS POST MIGHT GET ME IN TROUBLE, BUT I FEEL THE NEED TO SPEAK MY MIND.
I enjoy coming to this forum because of my love for comic books (JB's in particular) and to communicate with people who feel the same way I do about them.
I even enjoy reading some of the political and philosophical issues; as most of what I've read differs to some degree to my own opinions and reading them helps keep mine more realistic than idealistic. But, I have to say, this thread has become a bit of a pissing contest! How great would it be if 2 long standing industry veterans could discuss ways to help the industry and if the ideas were strong enough, take a bit of a leadership role to see them thru, instead of bickering about the past, and accomplishing nothing!
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Tim O Neill
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Paul G: "That statement holds a lot of meaning inside it."
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I agree and it deserves clarification because this is not just one artist
taking a potshot at another - this is a longtime publisher potentially re-
writing history in some people's minds by saying successful and
creatively accomplished books were a step down. I don't think they were
a step down in any way.
Taking on these characters was engaging for the readers, a smart
business move on Marvel's part, and fun for JB. These titles were positive
all around and there is no need to paint them in a negative light with a
throwaway comment. For me, when it's a throwaway sentence like that,
it's not posited as a theory so much as it could be accepted as fact. The
offhand nature of a comment like that could seem to be an "of course this
is true it needs no explanation" phrase - it's a tactic used in debate if I
remember my college days. So I don't see it as scrutinizing so much as
something requiring clarification.
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Rick Whiting
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Web comics and tpb are not the savior and future of the comic book industry.
I think (and I could very well be totally wrong about this) that the savior and future of the comic book industry lies in over size monthly anthology series. These Anthology series will contain 3 or more ongoing full length (22 pages each) ongoing monthly comics within the anthology for either $4.99 a month or $5.99 an issue. Heck, the Amazing Spider-Man Family anthology comic has 54 pages of brand new stories each month for $4.99, so this is not out of the range of possibility.
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Chad Carter
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How great would it be if 2 long standing industry veterans could discuss ways to help the industry and if the ideas were strong enough, take a bit of a leadership role to see them thru, instead of bickering about the past, and accomplishing nothing!
The "Industry" doesn't need help from either one of these men. The "Industry" is running along smooth as silk with a small niche readership. The "Industry" decides to "kill" Batman at the same time a Batman movie becomes one of the highest grossing movies ever made.
One thing you can say for Image, then or now, they'd have NEVER done something as a**hole as that.
While JB, of course, never even would have entertained the "idea."
So, whatever either man says about the "Industry" is like a complaint about the tint of blue paint of the logo on the side of the space shuttle. NOBODY IS LISTENING.
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Stephen Churay
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The "Industry" is running along smooth as silk with a small niche readership.
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Chad, if the top selling book doesn't break 100,000 copies, has the readership gotten even smaller than a "small niche"? Maybe someone with knowledge on sale projections and figures can explain it to me?
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Erik Larsen
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Andrew W. Farago made my point just fine. It's reasonable to assume that
Marvel would show more allegiance to those who stuck with Marvel than
those that deserted Marvel and left them high and dry.
While they might very well have allowed Jim Lee to start a new Gambit
book and let Todd McFarlane do Moon Knight and let Rob Liefeld spin off
Deadpool and let me take a crack at Nova and have Marc do Web of
Spider-Man-- I can't say they'd have bent over backward for Jim
Valentino. Jim really did take a leap out into the void without a net. I'm
sure most of us could have found work somewhere had Image failed--
but I don't see Marvel kicking Mark Bagley off of Amazing Spider-Man to
give the book back to me.
Maybe Todd McFarlane didn't take as big a risk as Jim Valentino because
he was infinantly more commercial, at the end of the day, and would
have found a decent gig somewhere but we all took a risk.
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Donald Pfeffer
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As a completely impartial judge of this thread, Erik Larsen's attempted dig at Byrne's work on WCA, She-Hulk, and Namor was pretty weak, but not all together unprovoked. Afterall, he was provoked by Byrne's claim that quitting your lucrative job to start up a comic company wasn't the least bit risky. That was a pretty wacky thing to say all things considered.
But, other than that, it's been a fun debate.
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Arc Carlton
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And a debate that other sites and boards have been paying attention to.
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