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JT Molloy
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Hey, Johnathan Landis and Harold Ramis and all involved ARE culture! I stand
by this statement up and down.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Of course it's culture. High culture. They wore togas, didn't they?
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JT Molloy
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High culture? "Can I buy some pot from you?"
"I won't go schitzo will I?"
"There's a distinct possibility..."
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Andrew W. Farago
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Maleev got some flack for that Magneto cover that was just a photoshop
job of a member of the Spanish royalty.
Mike Mayhew was the artist on that piece. If you're going to criticize an
artist on a public forum, you should make sure you've got the right one.
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Rob Spalding
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I think some of the change to full script comes from the influx of British writers in the 80's.
Most had been spotted writing for 2000ad which means they were writing full scripts. So when they started at Marvel or DC they probably kept to the same style they were used to.
Same again in the 90's when Millar, Morrison and Ennis made the move.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Yeah. The British writers came from and industry that had hired a lot of spanish artists, where the scripts had to be written and translated. Marvel style wasn't an option. But once it became an option ---
I know that a lot of writers elsewhere like the full script for the control it gives them over the flow of the story and how much "space" the writing gets. In some 200 page graphic novels, it results in pages and pages of talkingt heads.
Garth Ennis' comics, for instance, are in love with the long speeches. Long soliloquies on the nature of being badass. Interspersed with shock effect action scenes that the characters can then break down and analyze for deeper significance for pages and pages.
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Simon Bowland
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There's a lot of writers currently working in comics who shouldn't be working in comics - at least, until they've learnt how to write a comic script as opposed to a screenplay. What JB said a few posts back is completely spot-on. So many of them just don't understand that a comic script cannot work in the same way as a TV script, and many are taking the "full script" idea one step further, by dictating to the artist which panels should be the largest, which should be "widescreen" etc.
The editors are also to blame here as well, although many times now the editor just forwards the "first draft" of a script to the letterer - which is then spell-checked and rewritten after the lettering has been produced. It's a stupid way of working. I've always thought the "Marvel style" of plot, then pencils, then script, then lettering, works the best. It allows the artist a little bit of freedom, the dialogue can be written with the art in mind, everyone's a winner.
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John Byrne
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…many are taking the "full script" idea one step further, by dictating to the artist which panels should be the largest, which should be "widescreen" etc.•• This has been one of the biggest pains in the posterior, working from other people's full scripts. "Panel one -- a three quarter page splash -- then in panel 2 -- -- then in panel 3 -- -- then in panel 4 -- -- then in panel 5 -- -- then in panel 6…" And, no, that is not an exaggeration. I am frequently stunned by the number of writers who do not seem to comprehend the simple, basic, unchangeable fact that this is a printed page, not some elastic medium that will expand and contract to fit their needs.
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Greg McPhee
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Steve Englehart wrote his Batman run full script as he was leaving the comic industry at that point, and he had no idea who would draw the issues. He said he found it helped him to control the nuances of the story better for a character like Batman, but wouldn't take this approach with every character or artist as it doesn't work.
I could imagine full script being required for an artist who doesn't have a good sense of pacing or storytelling down; but I can't imagine a guy like John Romita, Jr working off a full script 99% of the time.
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Robert Walsh
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I always assumed comic scripts would be treated somewhat better than screenplays. Screenplays are notorious for getting rewritten constantly, as the director, producer, actors, best boy, hair-dresser, etc. make alterations in the desire to make it better.
Where as a comic script only goes through a lot fewer hands, but if an artist sees a better way to do something, then it wouldn't be too much trouble for him to make the change. The comic script I read in my old SANDMAN: DREAM COUNTRY graphic novel started off with Neil Gaiman telling the artist that if he saw a better way of doing something, then he should feel free to change it.
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Erik Larsen
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When I wrote Aquaman, I wrote it plot style and Jim Aparo drew a few pages
at one point and he was completely baffled when he was sent the plot. He'd
never worked from one before and he had no idea what to do with it. So--I
sat down and wrote his part of the book full script. I found it mind-boggling
that a guy who had been in the business as long as he had would have such
a tough time drawing from a plot.
Over the years I've worked from both plots and scripts. I prefer working
from plots. Even better--a conversation between myself and the writer.
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Chris Abel
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Mike Mayhew was the artist on that piece. If you're going to criticize an
artist on a public forum, you should make sure you've got the right one.
You're correct, it was Mayhew on that cover. My mistake. I got the two names confused. Perhaps the author of the post I quoted got it wrong as well. Perhaps he should be chastised as well.
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