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Paulo Pereira
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Nathan wrote:
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I wasn't aware that anyone did call it a swipe.
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Joe Smith
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I just like talking about comics with you guys.
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Stephen Churay
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Does anybody have a way to download the RONIN#1 / NEW MUTANTS #100 swipe.
I could use a good chuckle. (I swear he just light boxed it)
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Matt Reed
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No, but I do have Liefeld swiping JB...again.
Top image: JB from SHE-HULK Graphic Novel (1985)
Bottom image: Liefeld from WHAT IF...? 7 (1989)
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Keith Thomas
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C'mon he always gave credit in his "homages" (seriously who
hired this guy?)
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John Byrne
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That Helicarrier shot points up both what is wrong, in principle, with swiping, and why my Spider-Man shot in SHE-HULK is not a swipe.Of course, in order to draw my picture I pulled out a copy of that very first spectacular shot of the Hellicarrier drawn by Jack Kirby in the first SHIELD story. From that I was able to get all the details I needed to do my drawing, which is from a different angle. Liefeld, apparently, pulled out a copy of my drawing and simply traced it. (And the position and size of various details are far too precise for it to be anything other than a tracing, unless Liefeld is a literal art robot.) The difference in position and size of the various "parts" is what indicates my Spider-Man drawing was done without tracing, indeed without even looking at McFarlane's. (As I noted in another thread, the last time this came up, the first time I saw a side-by-side comparison I was amazed at how close I had come, working strictly from memory of an image seen perhaps twice before. Damn, I'm good!) The bottom line here is this, I suppose: copy exactly and you're swiping. Use another drawing as reference, without any attempt to precisely copy it, and you're not.
(And has Liefeld really been vexing us since before 1989? I wonder if he still thinks, as quoted, that no one over the age of 24 should be allowed to work in comics?)
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Don Zomberg
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See, John--when fans were buying Liefeld's books back in the day, they were really buying your stuff.
Must be flattering...
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Don Zomberg
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No one over the age of 24...
They should also be limited to comics, movies, TV, and video games when it comes to inspiration.
Always hated it when guys like Lee, Kirby, Byrne, etc, gave us stories influenced by mythology, history, the Bible, Shakespeare.
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Paulo Pereira
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QUOTE:
| Does anybody have a way to download the RONIN#1 / NEW MUTANTS #100 swipe. I could use a good chuckle. (I swear he just light boxed it) |
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Here's a collection of RL swipes.
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John Byrne
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Here's a collection of RL swipes.•• Including the Garney Captain America, which I don't really think is a swipe.
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Paulo Pereira
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The X-Force/Teen Titans one isn't really either, though the TT page likely inspired the XF one.
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Brian Miller
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And more than a few of those covers/ pinups aren't either.
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